Black Clover: Lifting Strength Scaling CRT Part 2

[Epsilon_R]

Which is wrong. Captains can use their magic to increase physical strength, as is accepted in the profiles. Saying that Base Asta in his base has a higher LS than a captain is the same as saying that he exceeds everyone's magic strength even without anti magic; And yet Yami also needs to nullify Lucifero's gravity to at least be able to move against him. So yeah, that seems strange to me

Yami need reinforcement plus Black Moon against Dante as well. Asta can has shown to support Lucifero gravity without anything so he currently is above Yami, simple.

And? Yami managed to stop a punch from Lucifero, it is not impossible to believe that he did his classic "Surpass your limits!"

What does it have to do with what I said?

Even if he surpassed his limits by doing so, surpassing limits in BC isn't a one time boost, it's permanent. Otherwise Yami wouldn't have been able to condense Mana Zone nor use Dimension Slash which were done by surpassing his limits

If you believe that Base Asta is somewhat comparable to Lilith/Naamah's stronger attack which is massively above Natch in any of his forms then you simply need to improve your common sense

This is such a weird logic smh.
So because Lilith is stronger than Nacht AP wise and Base Asta is weaker than Nacht, Asta has to have a lower lifting strength???
That logic would put Julius' Lifting Strength above BoS Asta because "muh Julius has superior AP" and we know the idea of Julius having superior lifting strength makes no sense whatsoever when he can't even hold Asta's lighter sword properly.

The manga also have Pre-Timeskip Leopold being superior to Yuno physically despite Leo not being anywhere close to Yuno in AP.

Again, there's Nacht who's not affected by Dante's Gravity but can hardly do any damage to him at 50%, while Jack can bisect 100% Dante despite not being able to move under his gravity at 50% like Nacht could.

Learn to differentiate Lifting Strength from Attack Potency before telling others to improve their common sense. Even if the two are proportional in other series, that is not the case for Black Clover.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Well, it's simple: The captains were on the verge of death, Asta was not

You got one of the panels wrong.

Those are the 2 that I linked

We don't even know how strong Jack was in this scene

This scene literally puts him below current Asta in LS

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yami need reinforcement plus Black Moon against Dante as well

That... It's really irrelevant

Asta can has shown to support Lucifero gravity without anything so he currently is above Yami, simple.

This was never shown

Even if he surpassed his limits by doing so, surpassing limits in BC isn't a one time boost, it's permanent.

Bro? Did you even understand what I said? What I am saying is that Yami can also have evolved

So because Lilith is stronger than Nacht AP wise and Base Asta is weaker than Nacht, Asta has to have a lower lifting strength???

I'm not talking about AP, I'm talking about LS. To assume such a massively large scale for Base Asta is absurd

What we are doing is:

Devil Union (Class T feat) > Lucifero's passive gravity >= Base Asta >>>>>> Lilith fused with Naamah (The other Class T feat) >>>>>>>>> Naamah and Lilith>>>>>>>> Natch's Equus >>>> Any other Natch's Union in terms of LS

The funny part: On page 4 of chapter 318 Base Asta was not able to stand up against gravity, while Nacht's Equus could stand up easily in page 5

Also:

Asta's training is not to increase his strength on a gigantic scale, but to learn how to use the Devil Union. To think of the possibility that Asta could increase his LS by more than ten million times merely by practicing a transformation is an absurd assumption, and you know it. This is above any accelerated development Asta has ever shown and is completely inconsistent with the character. Hell, even when Asta only trains the body he doesn't evolve that much, and when he trains a technique he evolves more LS than any of his strength training?

Those are the 2 that I linked

Lucifero hadn't even activated his passive. When it is activated everything gets a shaking effect. In fact, Adrammelech only considers Asta able to move in Lucifero's gravity after this scene. So he really didn't have gravity activated

This scene literally puts him below current Asta in LS

What I am saying is that nothing says anything about his condition at that moment. In the profile we only have him being classified when he is able to hurt Dante in his 80%.

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Btw, why is Lucifero's passive gravity class T?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Both Asta and Yami can move under gravity, but not no matter how light it seems to them it's still always going to be a burden so they nullify the gravity anyway.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Hang on, I will say this: Post-Advent Yami should be Class T for physically stopping Lucifero's punch.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This I agree. It is legitimate

 

[LordGinSama]

Looks good, I agree with the OP's suggestions.

 

[LordGinSama]

Hang on, I will say this: Post-Advent Yami should be Class T for physically stopping Lucifero's punch.

Yami should get infinite lifting strength for being the giga Chad he is.

 

[CloverDragon03]

As for Asta, I don't really care either way, I can see arguments for both sides on this, so whether or not he gets a "possibly Class T" doesn't matter to me

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yami should get infinite lifting strength for being the giga Chad he is.

My goat fr

 

[Epsilon_R]

So Yami stopping Lucifero's punch is legitimate to scale him to Class T, but Asta walking under his gravity which is just as legitimate, can't downscale from Devil Union?

 

[CloverDragon03]

So Yami stopping Lucifero's punch is legitimate to scale him to Class T, but Asta walking under his gravity which is just as legitimate, can't downscale from Devil Union?

Asta never walked under it, but he was able to barely stand and speak with Liebe. Again, I don't really care, but I'm in the "possibly" camp

 

[Epsilon_R]

Asta never walked under it, but he was able to barely stand and speak with Liebe. Again, I don't really care, but I'm in the "possibly" camp

He did

 

[CloverDragon03]

Oh, well then Class T makes sense, though he'd obviously be downscaling from his Devil Union (and as such would be physically inferior to Yami, which is consistent)

 

[Epsilon_R]

Yeah, he obviously is not comparable to his DU

That aside, I think the other stuffs should be applied

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

He did

This scene proves to be pure plot armor when you realize that Asta at his best can't get up

Also

Btw, why is Lucifero's passive gravity class T?

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Don't start ignoring things

 

[LordGinSama]

ignores

 

[Worthless]

I never mentioned AP

You sound like they are saying base asta > captains lmao

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You sound like they are saying base asta > captains lmao

I'm not talking about AP, I'm talking about LS. To assume such a massively large scale for Base Asta is absurd

What we are doing is:

Devil Union (Class T feat) > Lucifero's passive gravity >= Base Asta >>>>>> Lilith fused with Naamah (The other Class T feat) >>>>>>>>> Naamah and Lilith>>>>>>>> Natch's Equus >>>> Any other Natch's Union in terms of LS

The funny part: On page 4 of chapter 318 Base Asta was not able to stand up against gravity, while Nacht's Equus could stand up easily in page 5

 

[Worthless]

Btw, why is Lucifero's passive gravity class T?

It's class G on the page

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

"At least Class K, at most Class G" for Asta I can agree

 

[CloverDragon03]

This scene proves to be pure plot armor when you realize that Asta at his best can't get up

Even in that scene he could somewhat stand in Lucifero's gravity

 

[CloverDragon03]

It's class G on the page

Incomplete Lucifero is Class G, Half-Manifested Lucifero is Class T

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Incomplete Lucifero is Class G, Half-Manifested Lucifero is Class T

Lucifero is indeed Class T, but why is passive gravity as well? Devil Union can move easily and it just crushes Class G characters

 

[CloverDragon03]

Okay, how about this?

We can scale Asta to Class G for being above Fuegoleon, as Fuegoleon was forced flat on the ground from Lucifero's gravity while Asta was able to somewhat stand in it.

Lucifero is indeed Class T, but why is passive gravity as well? Devil Union can move easily and it just crushes Class G characters

Devil Union Asta was able to move in Lucifero's gravity, albeit barely, meaning Lucifero's gravity was affecting him. This is especially impressive because Asta radiates Anti-Magic, meaning he'd be able to cancel out some of it at least.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I... I really can't see Devil Union having difficulty moving in this scene. But okay. As I said, I agree with "at most class G"

 

[CloverDragon03]

I... I really can't see Devil Union having difficulty moving in this scene. But okay. As I said, I agree with "at most class G"

I think I misinterpreted how it looked. I thought bro was taking heavy footsteps from the gravity.

Well there's also the fact that Yami, who is Class T, saw fit to use Black Moon when he woke up to cancel Lucifero's gravity. You could also maybe say he wanted to protect Grey and Vanessa, but that explanation doesn't necessarily hold up when Yami moves Black Moon to Nacht and away from them. If he could move just fine, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

 

[LordGinSama]

Depends on the level of Class T. I'd suggest scaling to Class G as a complete low ball, and baseline Class T.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Depends on the level of Class T. I'd suggest scaling to Class G as a complete low ball, and baseline Class T.

Nah, Lucifero would also be scaling above Lilith and Naamah's fusion, which itself has a Class T calc

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Well there's also the fact that Yami, who is Class T, saw fit to use Black Moon when he woke up to cancel Lucifero's gravity. You could also maybe say he wanted to protect Grey and Vanessa, but that explanation doesn't necessarily hold up when Yami moves Black Moon to Nacht and away from them. If he could move just fine, he wouldn't have needed to do that.

I mean, it is always better to fight without extra weight on the body.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Wait, I have even better evidence. Adrammelech says that Lucifero's magic and physical abilities are unmatched even when half-complete. I'm not gonna say compared to literally everyone, because he wouldn't know that much, but that would imply that Lucifero even at half-manifestation would scale above every other devil. This would extend to Lilith and Naamah's fusion.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This scene proves to be pure plot armor when you realize that Asta at his best can't get up

This isn't passive gravity. I see it as an attack instead. I see no contradiction or plot armour in this case

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This isn't passive gravity. I see it as an attack instead. I see no contradiction or plot armour in this case

The femboy demon mentions that it is passive gravity

 

[Arnoldstone18]

The femboy demon mentions that it is passive gravity

I mean it looks like he switched it up to a level to specifically attack Asta, otherwise, that much destruction would've been caused during the battle against the captains or at any point in general.

And if that wasn't the case. The level of force shown here can't possibly be the same as shown here. And if you noticed what Vanessa said, it implies that the force of gravity gets stronger the closer you are to him so Asta at that moment suffered the full brunt of it and the Asta here suffered a fraction (probably class G idk) of what he experienced earlier.

BTW, I hope this helps us make better inferences on this topic, Base Asta strong bruh.

 

[Steve_Rogers1]

As I said, I agree with "at most class G"

There is no "at most" since Asta has scaling above Class G characters.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Oh yeah, thanks. I completely forgot about this shit

There is no "at most" since Asta has scaling above Class G characters.

He does not do this easily and clearly has difficulty going against gravity

I mean it looks like he switched it up to a level to specifically attack Asta, otherwise, that much destruction would've been caused during the battle against the captains or at any point in general.

This simply happens to be inconsistent in design. Nobody is going to draw all the time the ground being destroyed. Simply pressing a Class G character on the ground is more than enough to destroy buildings and metal structures, although this does not happen. What happened was merely an inconsistency, so much so that after this scene it is explained about "The Devil King's presence", indicating that this is when he activated his passive, and not before.

So much so that later the destruction that was happening stops a few seconds later, although apparently he can attack only with thought, according to his idea. However, the gravity effect is still in manga panels, and therefore the attack/passive has not been deactivated, it is just the inconsistent. So much so that later he legitimately focuses a gravity attack on Jack, yet nothing in the area is destroyed

It wouldn't make much sense to assume that Lucifero has an attack capable of pressing a class T character with just a thought but never using that again. It was merely him starting to activate his passive

 

[CloverDragon03]

Oh yeah, thanks. I completely forgot about this shit

He does not do this easily and clearly has difficulty going against gravity

Fuegoleon is Class G. Asta wasn't fully knocked down by Lucifero's gravity while Fuegoleon was. Thus, Asta > Fuegoleon, so Asta is Class G

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Actually, I have a problem with the Class G calculation. But I won't add to the discussion, otherwise it will never end

 

[Arnoldstone18]

This simply happens to be inconsistent in design.

I disagree with the grounds on which you deem it inconsistent, especially with someone as meticulous as Tabata.

Simply pressing a Class G character on the ground is more than enough to destroy buildings and metal structures, although this does not happen.

Yes, simply pressing a Class G character would cause metallic structures, the equivalent of this has happened in the past against super-sized Black Bulls .

The landscape is already leveled so there isn’t much structure collapsing at this point.

What happened was merely an inconsistency, so much so that after this scene it is explained about "The Devil King's presence", indicating that this is when he activated his passive, and not before.

So much so that later the destruction that was happening stops a few seconds later, although apparently he can attack only with thought, according to his idea. However, the gravity effect is still in manga panels, and therefore the attack/passive has not been deactivated, it is just the inconsistent. So much so that later he legitimately focuses a gravity attack on Jack, yet nothing in the area is destroyed

Also, this only happened because of the KE generated from Asta falling towards the ground under intense gravity. Hasn’t anyone thought of that? could make a pretty good calc out of this maybeeee… using the Richter scale method… who knows… Looking at it again it may actually have started the moment he used it on Asta. And cuz Natch has his Equus mode on protecting and/or transporting citizens to safety.

Oh and that was a Karate chop on Jack…

 

[speedster352]

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