• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Black Clover downgrade

Status
Not open for further replies.
That still doesn't mean much, he wasn't even ready to fight when they came and was already exhausted from his fight with Patry.
But that doesn’t change the fact that he was motionless for a guy moving at the speed of light, with that we have 3 things that make the consistency good:
  • Yami citing that he can't hit Patry because he dodges at the speed of light
  • Patry citing that the Divine Ray was a speed he could not avoid, this being the speed of light
  • Patri blitzing Yami with the magic of the speed of light
 
Yes, we can see that in his fight against Mareleona and also in this feat of Yami, where he stops right in front of him.
 
But that doesn’t change the fact that he was motionless for a guy moving at the speed of light, with that we have 3 things that make the consistency good:
  • Yami citing that he can't hit Patry because he dodges at the speed of light
  • Patry citing that the Divine Ray was a speed he could not avoid, this being the speed of light
  • Patri blitzing Yami with the magic of the speed of light
*Countered by Yami hitting Raia while he moves at light speed
*That has nothing to do with his combat or Reaction Speed
*Patry didn't, Raia did and only when he was off guard. And again, countered by the above
 
Yes, we can see that in his fight against Mareleona and also in this feat of Yami, where he stops right in front of him.
In the fight against Mereoleona, he travel without stopping so no. We also see Patry freely manoeuver while using Light Magic in his fight against asta and Yuno
 
*Countered by Yami hitting Raia while he moves at light speed
*That has nothing to do with his combat or Reaction Speed
*Patry didn't, Raia did and only when he was off guard. And again, countered by the above
  • Yami never hit Patry while he moved at the speed of light, this is false.
  • Yes, it has everything to do, how can he having an FTL reaction react to a SOL attack that was several meters away from him?
  • Yes, Patry blitz Yami here (Yami reacted to Patry's constructs after he had already stopped moving at the speed of light), where he passed him with the magic of light without seeing him and Liar does the same thing.
In the fight against Mereoleona, he travel without stopping so no. We also see Patry freely manoeuver while using Light Magic in his fight against asta and Yuno
Yes, traveling non-stop in a straight line always towards space magic.
 
  • Yami never hit Patry while he moved at the speed of light, this is false.
Good for me because I said Raia, not Patry
  • Yes, it has everything to do, how can he having an FTL reaction react to a SOL attack that was several meters away from him?
I don't understand what you said here..
  • Yes, Patry blitz Yami here (Yami reacted to Patry's constructs after he had already stopped moving at the speed of light), where he passed him with the magic of light without seeing him and Liar does the same thing.
How is this supposed to be a blitz? Yami doesn't even seem to be bothered by his speed when he did that
 
That's what I'm thinking. Yami flat-out says he got careless, so that's not really indicative here.

Also, as for Raia, Yami comments that Raia moves at light speed and then proceeds to immediately scratch him with an attack despite Raia trying to dodge.
 
On the Rhya thing Yami also says he got careless doesn’t that mean he could have reacted better if he was serious?
It doesn't mean anything. He is referring to the fact that he should have expected a light speed attack, like this. Hell, we are assuming that Yami's reaction speed is 2 times the speed of light, that is impossible. He was obviously prepared to attack, if he had a reaction of this level Yami would have no problems
 
Good for me because I said Raia, not Patry
Okay, Yami also didn't hit Raia while he was moving at the speed of light.
I don't understand what you said here..
I said that Patry was unable to react to his own Divine Ray
How is this supposed to be a blitz? Yami doesn't even seem to be bothered by his speed when he did that
Why wouldn't he bother with a character going after him? Yami was not even able to see Patry, and it was also clear that Patry was unable to attack while moving at the speed of light.
 
That's what I'm thinking. Yami flat-out says he got careless, so that's not really indicative here.

Also, as for Raia, Yami comments that Raia moves at light speed and then proceeds to immediately scratch him with an attack despite Raia trying to dodge.
Again, he only scratched him because of the size of the attack and not because of his speed, Raia gave a dash back at the speed of light and then, as soon as his magic was over, he tried to go to the side to avoid, which he still didn’t manage .
 
Okay, Yami also didn't hit Raia while he was moving at the speed of light.
He did
I said that Patry was unable to react to his own Divine Ray
Nowhere it was said he couldn't react to it. He even saw Gauche reflecting the beam when it was extremely close to touching Yami.
Why wouldn't he bother with a character going after him? Yami was not even able to see Patry, and it was also clear that Patry was unable to attack while moving at the speed of light.
Still doesn't mean he was getting blitzed, especially when we know that Yami loves to make his opponents seems like he's guard is down
 
Again, he only scratched him because of the size of the attack and not because of his speed, Raia gave a dash back at the speed of light and then, as soon as his magic was over, he tried to go to the side to avoid, which he still didn’t manage .
Raia moved before Yami did. For Yami to hit Raia, the attack would have to be faster than him
 
Again, he only scratched him because of the size of the attack and not because of his speed, Raia gave a dash back at the speed of light and then, as soon as his magic was over, he tried to go to the side to avoid, which he still didn’t manage .
Nothing in those pages actually suggests Raia was moving with magic there. If he was, it'd show a light sphere around him as he moved like with Patry, especially since Raia can also use Light Magic via Copy Magic.
 
Yeah, he stopped to touch his grimoire to copy Yami's magic. But, when Yami attacked, Raia tried to dodge and was somewhat hit.
 
Anime isn't a valid point, especially with how bad the animation was back then
No no no no. This is not a matter of animation, this is a matter of the concept of the scene. Nanatsu No Taizai for example, the fight was a shit but it was possible to identify what was happening, it's the same here, but even more explicit. Besides the scenes not contradicting each other
And the sfx and the trails around Raia proves he was still moving while using Light Magic
What? There is nothing indicating light magic, just Raia touching Yami's magic book (which shows that he was not moving)
 
No no no no. This is not a matter of animation, this is a matter of the concept of the scene. Nanatsu No Taizai for example, the fight was a shit but it was possible to identify what was happening, it's the same here, but even more explicit. Besides the scenes not contradicting each other
Manga is still primary canon, and even then. He still see him getting hit when he was moving
What? There is nothing indicating light magic, just Raia touching Yami's magic book (which shows that he was not moving)
Yes there is. The "Flash" sfx is used when light magic is involved, you can look at all the moving light magic spells, you'll get that sfx
 
Nothing in those pages actually suggests Raia was moving with magic there. If he was, it'd show a light sphere around him as he moved like with Patry, especially since Raia can also use Light Magic via Copy Magic.
If he wasn’t ready, there’s nothing to mention that Yami scored Lightning moving at SOL speed
 
Manga is still primary canon, and even then. He still see him getting hit when he was moving
Yes, it is the canon, but the anime doesn't contradict the scene, it just shows it in a better way. That's obvious. Show me a difference and a reason not to use anime. The site usually use the scenes that occur in anime to be able to have a good perspective, why won't we use them again here?
Yes there is. The "Flash" sfx is used when light magic is involved, you can look at all the moving light magic spells, you'll get that sfx
The "Flash" is clearly the noise of Yami's katana. It doesn't even make sense to use this onomatopoeia on a jumping character.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top