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Bill's 2-A Downgrade II: Electric Boogaloo

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A visual projection doesn't demean anything, that's a very weak point against it when it refers to what happens to the current dimension. Bill is a threat to the multiverse according to Ford with his rip and even excluding one universe would still make it 2-A.

Existence would refer to what he does after he leaves the confines of Gravity Falls to set sights on other realities.

You are going against what is blatantly shown in the show in order to get the highest possible interpretation. Existence in this context clearly means the mainstream universe.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
The rip can very much existwithout Bill were it not contain, I have no idea where you get the idea that it can't. He just fuses the nightmare realm through it.
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the rip dissapeared after Bill "died"
 
PikabluTwo said:
It was stopped after Bill and co. got defeated
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They still had to patch up reality, and it was created without him. Only difference is that Bill wasn't syphoning the nightmare realm in.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
You are going against what is blatantly shown in the show in order to get the highest possible interpretation. Existence in this context clearly means the mainstream universe.
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The Journal says he can threaten the Multiverse and its canon. You have no backing for your idea outside of some projection Time Baby gives which doesn't even make sense in the context he gives. Existence refers to the multiverse, by the fact Ford states that the level of threat he poses and Time Baby making the difference between universe and existence.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
They still had to patch up reality, and it was created without him. Only difference is that Bill wasn't syphoning the nightmare realm in.
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Then it couldn't merge with the destruction. It was created when he and his pals entered the reality. It technically stopped like as shown above. That would just mean reality got damaged by it and they needed to restore so that not wrong.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
So, you want to give him a tier based on a rip he can't make by himself? Hmmmm.
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He made the rip by entering their dimension if I remember correctly. It's claimed as his doing as well by Time Baby.
 
No.

It's waste creater by the portal.

Time Baby commented on him forcing the nightmare realm in.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
No.
It's waste creater by the portal.

Time Baby commented on him forcing the nightmare realm in.
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(Time Baby: Hear this, Cipher!) Ugh, Time Baby. (Time Baby: If your rip in this dimension continues, it could destroy the very fabric of existence! Surrender now, or face my tantrum!) Oh, no, a tantrum! Whatever will a do about that HOW 'BOUT THIS?? BOOM.
 
@PikabluTwo Beautiful strawman argument there, I never said the journal was non-canon. In fact, I specifically pointed out that being a threat to something in itself isn't a quantifiable feat.

No reason to assume fabric of existence means the multiverse when the context only implies the universe.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@PikabluTwo Beautiful strawman argument there, I never said the journal was non-canon. In fact, I specifically pointed out that being a threat to something in itself isn't a quantifiable feat.
No reason to assume fabric of existence means the multiverse when the context only implies the universe.
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That's not what a strawman is, I just said the journal was canon and that was it dude.

Threat makes it quantifiable, you have still yet to refute the difference thing and your replies were just stating "that's not how it works" without explaining.
 
You said it as if I claimed it was non-canon. No one said it was non-canon.

No it doesn't. Threatening something =/= being able to destroy it.
 
can we all just agree with atleast low 2-C because any debate here is clearly going nowhere
 
We're perfectly with "at least Low 2-C"; tbh, we should've settled for something like that a few hundred comments prior.
 
while I do find Axolotl not being 2-A absolute non-sense since the thing is literally stablished as some sort God(or at least, a supreme being) and guardian of plot itself, I'll conside defeat for now

but i'll be back one day
 
"

'll conside defeat for now

but i'll be back one day"

- him

you shouldn't have said anything, smh
 
The "At least" I believe is unnecessary but even so it wouldn't make a difference regarding how far into Low 2-C Bill is. "At least" would just denote the "being a threat to the multiverse" thing.
 
no, it wouldn't, do you even remember what your initial argument was? the atleast is there due to literally your argument.
 
JooCipher said:
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Axolotl > Bill = Baseline Low 2-C.
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Bill isn't baseline from what I remember
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When he used to have a Low 2-C for his restricted key, it came from one-shotting Time Baby who at the time was Low 2-C. Time Baby was later downgraded to High 3-A, the current Low 2-C for Bill is because his reality warping shenanigans work on a universal scale.
 
We don't give at least ratings to characters who wouldn't be above baseline, it would imply Bill does his universe busting feats casually and that would be his minimal rating, because of his threat statement.
 
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