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Bill Cipher vs Yan Sen | 9-0–1 (Grace done, at this point idek)
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Because you're arguing that it can no-sell destruction even from Higher-Dimensional destruction.
It does not work like that, Type 1 concepts are only independent from the objects with that concept, not the plane of existence they exist in.
Already refuted. By this logic this guy does not have 5D hax because he's 3D.
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Such concepts, except perhaps other concepts of this nature, are completely independent of the part of reality they govern.
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Dude, I don't understand you, show me a 5D hax that belongs to Bill, come on, I'm waiting.
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Being independent of universes =/= Being independent of the place where said universes exist in.
Literally every single one of his. The explanation in a nutshell.
- Reality Warping, Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Physics Manipulation and Empowerment (Weirdmageddon, the event that Bill caused and controls: Ford stated that Bill's power grows stronger with every minute,[2] it is considered to be an apocalypse and can possibly affect the multiverse, it can send waves of Weirdness which can make objects come to life, spawn random beings, transmute beings and objects, change the size of beings to insane degrees, bring game characters and two dimensional beings to the third dimension and several other logic breaking effects.[2] Bill states that "Meaning has no Meaning" and that "Existence is upside down", Madness Bubbles are shown to warp the shows animation by changing the very fabric of reality.[2] after the Bubble is gone he states he will rewrite the reality from any kind of law[7] and causality system[6], which is supported by his powers being used to play ping-pong with a planet and break logic all together.[7])
- Low Complex Multiverse level, possibly Hyperverse level (Caused the Dimensional Rift[2], the gate between worlds that directly connected the multiverse to the Nightmare Realm and was causing the Weirdmaggedon, getting stronger every minute due to it.[2] According to the Time Baby, if the Rift was not stopped, it would destroy the very fabric of existence[2] through flooding the multiverse[4] with the Nightmare Realm,[2] something that would be on accord with Bill´s plan of making existence without restrictions, laws[7], cause or effect.[6] Implied to sustain the Rift itself due to his death causing it to close and all of its effects being reverted shortly after.[8]
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there were these type 1 entities in a place where there was nothing
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where exactly is the 5d hax
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Did you even read what I said? You seem like that you've skipped my thing entirely just to ask again...
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Yeah this is just a circus at this point.
People are pretending the evidence just does not exist when there are proofs in the profiles with scans.
People are pretending the evidence just does not exist when there are proofs in the profiles with scans.
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weren't you the one who told me there was a 5d haxi, I can't see a 5d hax here
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I said all of the hax of his are 5D with explanations directly from his profile, I quoted the parts hinting at that, but you didn't take even a minute to reply "where's 5D hax" again.
As if you didn't even read my stuff.
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On his profile, he has Concept Manip even though it's 5D, I think it can still affect Bill since he's only 3D physically, Causality, Law, and Fate manipulation with Type 4 negation, and precog
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Wait how does he negate Acasuality 4? The profile uses the same scan for causality manipulation, dont you need to affect a Acasual 4 being to get Acasual 4 Negation?
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First of all, ap and hax are different concepts, you cannot say that bill has 5d hax by conveying the ap performance and it is not stated that bill has 5d hax in his profile, are you adding these yourself?
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Literally all his hax are part of the Weirdmageddon that is physically affecting the cosmology. His hax and AP are linked due to the very nature of those, if you bothered to actually read what I posted.
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I'll try to answer to the best of my capability.
Social Influencing, I don't know exactly it entails, so I don't know how Yan Sen can counter it, if he can even counter it.
Possession could work, but didn't Bill need to seal a deal to do so?
For Mind Manip, he did resist one, but weirdly enough it's not on his profile, so I suppose we can't count it?
Transmutation is fine too.
Petrification should work, I think, depend on how it is done.
Biological Manip should work (?)
I was almost sure that Yan Sen had resisted Madness stuff at one point, but maybe I'm misremembering, so that should probably work too.
The Sealing part could work depending on how it's done. From what I see on his profile, it seems to be a BFR, so Yan Sen could probably use an anti-seal or just return to the normal world as he did with the God of Consciousness' universe. As for the sleep manipulation stuff, I'm unsure.
They should both be able to stop time, so I guess it goes both way for time manip? Idk.
I'm not too much knowledgeable on the whole "abstract existence" stuff, so I can't address it or know if it's a good argument against some of the win cons of Bill.
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After reading it once, I read it again but it's still not 5d
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On profile, seems like he just cut any Cause and Effect system?
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No, thats only for Mindscape
- Enhanced Mind Manipulation and Astral Projection (Bill implies he now doesn't need dreams to enter minds, as he intended to enter Ford's mind anyway if he did not have the metal plate,[7] Bill can also now mind control people when he wants, leaving them as flying puppets[7] with no consciousness.[11] Paralyzed the minds of all the zodiac symbols before turning them into banners. Shown[7] twice[8] that he can leave his physical form to enter the Mindscape)
My idea was if sealed in "Yan-Senland" Yan Sen would probably not know how he got there nor would he even want or have the will to escape a place that literally is his heaven?
Yan Sen cannot stop time according to the profile I think
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How is that Acasuality 4 Negation
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How is that Acasuality 4 Negation
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After reading it once, I read it again but it's still not 5d
Bill Cipher: It's finally time for Tier 1
So, decided to make Bill's Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig. TLDR Bill has to be straight up 2-A at bare minimum due to the Weirdmageddon...
It's accepted, shut up and make a CRT to get it rejected if you don't like it.
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Yeah, Idk why Shion mentioned it.
Snapping, though this seems thought-based.
Didn't know that manipulating the whole cosmology to manipulate reality and remove all laws is still 3D hax.After reading it once, I read it again but it's still not 5d
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I am like... super tempted to make a RVR on this, because it's genuine trolling at this point.Bill Cipher: It's finally time for Tier 1
So, decided to make Bill's Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig. TLDR Bill has to be straight up 2-A at bare minimum due to the Weirdmageddon...vsbattles.com
It's accepted, shut up and make a CRT to get it rejected if you don't like it.
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No that was done with Bill's light from his eye
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Idk, he wasn't petrified with the light, but a bit after.
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A. Why are you talking to me about this?
B. Why are you talking to me about this???
But, to actually comment on the match, Incon, IMO. Both can basically get rid of the other in one hax and that seems in-character for both.
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Just a general complain lol.
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So like he can possess anyone whenever he wants? If that's the case, yeah, that seems problematic for Yan Sen.
I apologize, I have Bill's profile on another tab, but there is so much stuff that I'm kinda lost.
If Yan Sen had his actual mind manip resistance, there might have been some argument to make, but here, it's kinda difficult.
Well, this is EXACTLY what happens in the manwha. Yan Sen is getting "mind manip" by some God, showing him a world of wonders, with everything he ever wanted, but since he can do everything, including creating such a world, it doesn't work and get out of the mind manip easily. Again, it's not on his profile, but I just wanted to explain.
You're right, even tho he should have it. Eh, it happens.
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we are talking about their haxBill Cipher: It's finally time for Tier 1
So, decided to make Bill's Tier 1 a reality, so... I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. Shacktron profile and Class G LS upgrade for both it and Bill ig. TLDR Bill has to be straight up 2-A at bare minimum due to the Weirdmageddon...
It's accepted, shut up and make a CRT to get it rejected if you don't like it.
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that CRT covers Bill's hax cochise. Stop derailing the thread and make the CRT.
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Well, do you have an answer to that? If not, BillCipher will lose when the fight starts.
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Honestly, I don't see many options for Yan Sen here. Just like another supporter said, maybe his aura could do the job.
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Yes, it's still 3D, just like it doesn't say 5D on its profile.
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Well like I previously said Overwhelming and Fear wont work due to Bill's nature
Not sure on the Catastrophe, that might help
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