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Bill Cipher vs. Alien X

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Also Bill has resistance to madness manipulation type 3 which doesn't really have to do anything with mind manipulation so Alien X's mind manipulation should work.
 
Greenshifter said:
Also Bill has resistance to madness manipulation type 3 which doesn't really have to do anything with mind manipulation so Alien X's mind manipulation should work.
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Well... unless Alien X showed affect incorporeal minds (let's remember that Bill is originally a non-corporeal being) then so his mindfuck would help
 
@Greenshifter

This is Low 2-C Bill or Full Power Bill and Bill doesn't have Non-Corporeal in his full power.

"All previous minus Power Nullification and Non-Corporeal"
 
Hmm well I guess the Bill people can argue and tell me if Bill's mind is actually incorporeal and thus X would not be able to affect it or not (wouldn't mind manipulation in a non-biological way be affecting an incorporeal mind anyways? Not sure if X's mind manipulation is biological or not tho). Also X should be able to BFR to the Forge Of Creation where only Celestialsapiens and Paradox should be able to get away from no?
 
Greenshifter said:
Hmm well I guess the Bill people can argue and tell me if Bill's mind is actually incorporeal and thus X would not be able to affect it or not (wouldn't mind manipulation in a non-biological way be affecting an incorporeal mind anyways? Not sure if X's mind manipulation is biological or not tho). Also X should be able to BFR to the Forge Of Creation where only Celestialsapiens and Paradox should be able to get away from no?
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This is full power Bill. This Bill isn't Non-Corporeal.
 
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I don't remember Alien X ever mind-haxing that much. Bill would be more likely to just put X to sleep.
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I dunno about sleep, X has Very high stamina.
 
That only helps against certain types of Sleep Manipulation. Bill could also just make X unconscious with a snap.
 
Alien X is normally unconsious/unresponsive. A good example would be in his debut episode when Kevin tried to get his attention and he wouldn't respond for the entirety of the episode until they agree to let Ben transform back. The only way Bill can incap Alien X is by incapping the personalities (that he doesn't know about and is located in a pocket dimension in another universe).

Bill normally starts the battle off with Transmutation iirc. Bill snaps, Alien X's body is turned to stone (or whatever), Ben notices this and rewinds time and undos this, Bill tries to snap again, but thats when they see Bill as a serious threat and he immediately mind haxes.
 
So... if Alien X can just rewind and negate transmutation and sleep... what can Bill actually do to ya know.. W I N
 
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