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Best Villains for Every Tier

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@Bambu. You're severely underselling Bowser's characterization and only goin gets off of what you see in the traditional platformers. Heck, he doesn't even hate Mario that's much (I mean, he does hate Mario, but not to a Goku/Freeza point). There's a reason Bowser was liked enough to get his own game.
 
Bowser's actually pretty decent, but I disagree with Cal implying that you must have some sort of immedate iconic appeal to be a good villain.
 
The real cal howard said:
@Bambu. You're severely underselling Bowser's characterization and only goin gets off of what you see in the traditional platformers. Heck, he doesn't even hate Mario that's much (I mean, he does hate Mario, but not to a Goku/Freeza point). There's a reason Bowser was liked enough to get his own game.
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To be honest, the best part of Bowser's character comes from when he isn't being a villain.
 
Wokistan said:
That is wholly dependent on what exactly you're looking to get out of the media. For some the entire point of having characters or a world present is for them to be throughly explored, relishing in the conplexeties and intricacies present and learning and theorizing on their own about stuff. For others, they just want a good time that doesn't necessarily have to be deep, but just entertaining. You seem to some kore towards the latter which is fine if that's what you like, but it doesn't devalue the former camp.
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I get that on every level and I'm not as leaning to the latter as you may think, but by definition, this (fiction) is meant to entertain first and foremost. Due to that, entertainment value should be the priority in determining the best.
 
Bowser is a badass; don't you dare @ him. And if you have any doubts, look no further than this.
 
I don't think that popularity of the franchise a character hails from determines the quality of said character, but I believe that a quality character from a popular franchise is far easier to convince others of their quality because you know, that they know, that the character is well done.
 
That's not entirely true. Fiction is meant to convey ideas, entertainment is just the easiest way to make a profit. Who's to say i can't be entertained by having a large and expansive world to explore and ponder, making my own meanings and interpretations out of things? What if I find villains allowing me to do that more entertaining than the Disney ones?

If I just want entertainment I'll just play against my brother, or some multiplayer game, or lift weights or something else. Not everything always has to be deep yeah, but those things that aren't I enjoy for other reasons besides having good villains. When I'm looking at something from the perspective of "is character good", i:'m gonna want something deeper to analyze.
 
What is seen as open to interpretation for some can come off as pretentious to others. I mean, look at American Beauty. Or the Matrix sequels.
 
You don't have to be Evangelion (or Yume Nikki...cough) to be open to interpretation. A lot of UT is open to interpretation, yet it's not seen as pretentious (at least not for those reasons).
 
I really need to make a case for Flowey. Problem is he doesn't abide by the criterias King listed.
 
I can enjoy media without good characters (I prioritize gameplay for games, for example), but I can't stay hooked onto the character if there's not that much there. Doesn't mean I can't like other parts, but I personally need thst complexity. Guess that's why I like reading nonfiction stuff.

This goes even more for books, since there isn't really gameplay there. I mainly read and play games for my entertainment mediums, so my perceptions may be skewed a bit by that.
 
@Wok If you are into books surely you will support me in saying that Frankenstein's monster is the best 9-B villai
 
The real cal howard said:
@Bambu. You're severely underselling Bowser's characterization and only goin gets off of what you see in the traditional platformers. Heck, he doesn't even hate Mario that's much (I mean, he does hate Mario, but not to a Goku/Freeza point). There's a reason Bowser was liked enough to get his own game.
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The reason is he is iconic and well-recognized, as well as being the spawn of a popular game series. The second is that Nintendo enjoys money as much as anyone else. Wario also got a game. I assume his tragic backstory will be coming soon?

As for Agent Smith, I can see him taking a spot since not many High 6-Cs spring to mind.
 
If that were the truth than both, Zelda and Ganon would've gotten their own game, let alone a playable appearance. Heck, Bowser's the mascot for Nintendo's PARENTAL CONTROLS. When your villain canonically has the girl they're pining over as the screensaver for their smartphone, then I'll submit.
 
Would be awesome if Ganon got his own game; and Zelda also technically has two of her own games, but they don't count because CDI doesn't count. But yeah, one needs to play Bowser's Inside Story or the Paper Mario games to really delve into Bowser's character. Despite being the main antagonist, he's actually got a big heart underneath the grouchy attitude.
 
The real cal howard said:
If that were the truth than both, Zelda and Ganon would've gotten their own game, let alone a playable appearance. Heck, Bowser's the mascot for Nintendo's PARENTAL CONTROLS. When your villain canonically has the girl they're pining over as the screensaver for their smartphone, then I'll submit.
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I'd agree save for the fact that TLoZ games that even have them practically entirely revolve around the triumviate mythos of the three triangles of the triforce. 's a bit different you must admit. They're part of a package that only Link can escape from. Even then they're in plenty of games and still do get pushed for monetary reasons elsewhere.

Iconic =/= Good.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Would be awesome if Ganon got his own game; and Zelda also technically has two of her own games, but they don't count because CDI doesn't count. But yeah, one needs to play Bowser's Inside Story or the Paper Mario games to really delve into Bowser's character. Despite being the main antagonist, he's actually got a big heart underneath the grouchy attitude.
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So the Grinch is a contender for best villain.
 
The Anti-Spiral for Tier High 1-C

Daleks for Tier: 8-C (Pre-Time War Daleks), higher with Specialised Daleks and Preparation | At least 7-B, possibly higher at full power, higher with Specialised Daleks, the New Paradigm, Self-Destruction, and Preparation | 5-B for Pre-Time War Dalek Ships, 4-B, likely far higher with Post Time War Dalek Ships, higher with Neutron Strikes and Magnetron | At least 3-C, possibly 3-A with the Apocalypse Element. 2-A via chain reaction, possibly High 1-C with DARDIS | High 1-C with The Eye of Harmony
 
Feel like

The Daleks

Aren't taking all of those tiers

Call me crazy
 
About the "popularity =/= quality" stuff above, personally I think that if a villain is popular, it's simply easier to judge if they are good villains or not, but it's not relevant as far as judging "Is this character a good villain" is concerned.

Otherwise this would be pretty much a "most iconic villain for every tier" list.
 
That much I can agree to. A character being easily recognizable makes it easier to identify if they should be considered.
 
Mab for 7-A

  • Motivations: Her primary motivation is, at risk of entering spoiler territory, to save the entire universe from being overrun by endless hordes of eldritch monsters from outside reality that mind **** everyone who gets near them into committing suicide if they don't just tear them in 6 pieces first. And she is willing to sacrifice every last living thing on earth and in the Nevernever (an alternate dimension) if it stops them.
  • Presence: Very much so. She first appears in the fourth book and immediately establishes herself as a major figure, given that she rules over about half of an alternate universe and a nation of nasty monsters, and shows herself to be incredibly manipulative. She is either mentioned or appears in every book past that, in either a minor or a major role. The main character of the series, who essentially spits in the face of dark magic, evil gods and certain death, is downright terrified of her and does his absolute best to avoid pissing her off. She's always there as a constant presence of temptation for the hero, offering him more power, status, and wealth than most humans in his verse could ever dream of. Oh, and she spends every book past the one she appears in torturing a man further and further into insanity for betraying her, and we are reminded of it often.
  • Threat Level: To the main character? A decent amount, but the fact that she kinda wants to employ him for most of the series means she wasn't going to outright kill him. She'll certainly let him get into life-threatening situations though, and pretty much during each of their conversations she does something nasty to him (basic pain hax in her first meeting, freezing the water in his eyes during the second). Then when he finally does enter her employ, she spends the first 3 months after he can actually move again trying to kill him every day in increasingly inventive ways (just trying to smother him on the first day, doing things like showing armies of poisonous spiders into his clothes on one of the others), because if he dies to such simple tactics, well he wasn't going to be any good to her anyway. And she is very very much portrayed as a major player in the setting. She's basically personally responsible for setting up most of the laws regarding the supernatural world in the verse, and no one wants to get on her bad side.
  • Personality: Being the Winter Queen, her personality is primarily "cold". She's a very logical being, and she doesn't care about much other than fulfilling her responsibilities. Though she does really want to get the main character on her team, she's more than content to just wait for him to hit a moment he's desperate enough to do. During the later books though, we do see that she has some kinder emotions hidden beneath her cold surface. The quotes on her page explains her personality best really. She's regal, she's nasty, she's cold, and she will get even. Including, as the latest book showed us, manipulating events so that the person who wronged her would willingly and with full knowledge of what he was doing, kill his own daughter that he had spent millenia with.
  • Entertainment Factor: Well that depends on the person, but I certainly find her very entertaining. She's always threatening in a subtle way, tht you're sure she's going to do someting lethal sooner or later, and that the longer she's around, the worse position you're going to be in, like the creeping cold. Which is really a testamant to the author's writing skill that the Winter Quee feels like that.
 
Well, Funny Valentine also did nothing wrong except wanting to make 'Murica Great Again at the expense of all other countries.

Johnny Joestar for 10-B
 
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