Berserk tiering issues

[Hellbeast]

@ThisThingisReallyBroken Well he was on a boat for 10 years

 

[SpookyShadow]

Nah. Him traveling, fighting his inner struggles and shit. Character development stuff.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

The God Hand won't be defeated at all imo, at least not in a conventional manner.

Guts at this point is over getting revenge on Griffith imho. He knows very well that his only possible victory at this point is getting away from all of this with his life, humanity, and his new crew. Plus he cares about Casca FAR more than getting revenge on Griffith at this point.

We really need a discussion thread.

 

[Hellbeast]

Inb4 Guts uses the power of friendship to destroy Griffith

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Inb4 Guts uses the power of friendship to destroy Griffith

Color my expectations subverted.

 

[SpookyShadow]

We really need a discussion thread.

Why not? https://vsbattles.com/threads/berserk-discussion-thread.109862/

Too bad no calc member has given input on the storm feat yet.

 

[Antvasima]

If you have a few suggestions, I can call them here.

 

[SpookyShadow]

I don't know who's knowledgeable on storms enough. It would be good to have some members like that. I requested the calc on evaluation thread but nobody responded or gave any hint.

(Off top, DMUA has no problem with the narutoforum fire wheel calc, does that mean the AP is 45 tons? Or do we still apply that "Guts tanked just a portion of it" logic?)

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Okay, so I've found something interesting, but it's a real thinker alright. We need help with this one.

During chapters 304 and 305, we witnessed the Great Roar of the Astral World, where Griffith manipulated causality in order to have Skull Knight cut open Ganishka's Shiva form which caused a spatial distortion of sorts that ended up transforming the world and merging the Astral and physical planes together as one.

Now, what interests me is that Ganishka was used as a battery and catalyst for this event, and he released enough light and wind to engulf the entire planet, every nook and cranny.

I know reality warping and spacial manipulation were involved, but I wonder if we can calculate illuminating the entire world somehow. Ganishka was the power source. If the calc is possible, and bears fruit, then we can discuss possible scaling later.

A friend of mine (who's a retired calc member) referred me to a couple of similar feats.

Naruto Calc: Madara Illuminates The World

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Mana's Luminosity - Monster Strike

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However, he told me that to calculate luminosity the source of light needs to be a celestial object, but I have no idea how that applies to Ganishka or whether it's possible to calc the feat some other way.

 

[OppaiSenpai5]

There is actually a calc about this. It's part of Jasonsith's unofficial reference for common feats.

A page for reference of common feats by Jasonsith

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[UchihaSlayer96]

Nice! You reckon we can use this? Maybe tweak the timeframe?

 

[OppaiSenpai5]

Idk. Does it even scale if it took Ganishka dying for it to happen?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Like I said, let's see if we can get a calc for it first, then try figuring out if it can scale to anyone.

 

[Shmooply]

You've peaked my interest in not only the feats but the entire verse as a whole.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

You've peaked my interest in not only the feats but the entire verse as a whole.

It's definitely a banger my friend. You won't regret picking it up, I assure you.

 

[OppaiSenpai5]

So I had the bright idea of googling a Guts respect thread, and I found this. Haven't looked through it yet but there might be something useful here.

Berserk: Guts' Respect Thread

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[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

We should definitely link that page to the berserk page alongside the calculations

 

[DMUA]

(Off top, DMUA has no problem with the narutoforum fire wheel calc, does that mean the AP is 45 tons? Or do we still apply that "Guts tanked just a portion of it" logic?)

Pretty sure he blocked most of it with the Dragonslayer, yeah

 

[OppaiSenpai5]

We should definitely link that page to the berserk page alongside the calculations

Such things usually go on the character's page under "Feats:" which you don't usually see on most profiles.

Pretty sure he blocked most of it with the Dragonslayer, yeah

So it doesn't scale, right?

 

[DMUA]

Scales to the Dragonslayer, which he can in fact use to block attacks, but otherwise no

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

So, 9-A physically and 8-B durability with DS?

 

[Antvasima]

We should definitely link that page to the berserk page alongside the calculations

That is probably fine, as long as other knowledgeabĺe members agree.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

So, 9-A physically and 8-B durability with DS?

Yeah, pretty much

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well, hopefully calcing Ganishka's lightning turning apostles to ash gives good results. It seems to be our last hope.

 

[OppaiSenpai5]

Ok, but wouldn't it be an outlier if there are literally no other feats that come close?

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Well, hopefully calcing Ganishka's lightning turning apostles to ash gives good results. It seems to be our last hope.

It's pretty damn simple to calculate a size of an apostle

Wyald would be the best example because what we literally would do is take a gorilla for scale and apply the square cube law to him and there you go, not to mention about every apostle that exists is based on a animal of sorts

Ok, but wouldn't it be an outlier if there are literally no other feats that come close?

That was my point for the 8-B tier being iffy. There isn't enough scans or calcs to back it up

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Ok, but wouldn't it be an outlier if there are literally no other feats that come close?

Depends on the result. If it's, idk, 7-C then yeah obviously it's an outlier.
8-C or 8-B doesn't sound out of the question though, especially because all of the 9-A feats are extremely casual.
Not to mention, the Guts that would scale to this (assuming it's higher than 9-A) is a significantly stronger Guts.

 

[Shmooply]

MY BROTHER

COME BUMP WITH ME.

 

[SpookyShadow]

The thread is done I think, just some calc member needs to evaluate the feats. Though I doubt that will happen in this year, lmao.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

We should probably give the God Hands omnipresence

 

[Antvasima]

If you link to the calculation blogs that need to be evaluated, I can notify several calc group members.

 

[SpookyShadow]

I already did, though nobody besides Migue79 commented (props for him).It would be nice if a calc member would look into it and say if it's a good calc or not.

 

[SpookyShadow]

We should probably give the God Hands omnipresence

The Idea of Evil already has it, but good idea

 

[Antvasima]

@Executor_N0 @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Mr._Bambu @Therefir @Ugarik @KGiffoni @Dargoo_Faust @TheRustyOne @Jasonsith @Wokistan

We would appreciate your help with evaluating this calculation:

Berserk: Giant Ganishka's Storm

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Tell us here when you have done so please.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

Found a feat where an apostle rams into several buildings with absolute ease

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

That looks promising.

 

[OppaiSenpai5]

He also busts through the city wall at the end.

 

[AngeronTheSkyHighAnger]

That straight out is just zodd's feat but better

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

That straight out is just zodd's feat but better

Luckily it scales to Zodd, so that's a good catch man! Good job.

 

[Antvasima]

Found a feat where an apostle rams into several buildings with absolute ease

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Ugarik @Dargoo_Faust @DemonGodMitchAubin @Wokistan

Would one of you be willing to calculate this please?