Ben some simple Abilities and Feats

[REX9097]

• Aggregor Matter Manip and Biological Manip

It is noteworthy that Aggregor has the ability to absorb matter and energy and merge it with him, as when he absorbed 5 Aliens, he absorb their power and matter and merged them with him (you can see this in that his Ultimate form is a mixture between 5 Aliens). Also since that he combined matter of the 5 Aliens with him, then he combined the DNA of the 5 Aliens with his own DNA.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl, @Mr. Bambu (Biological Manip)
Disagree:
Neutral:

• Aggregor Power Absorption

He mentioned that he absorb entire power of 5 Aliens and even when he absorbed them they no longer existed (It has been previously agree)
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

• Atomix Matter Manipulation

It is mentioned that Atomix can create and manipulate atomic or nuclear, and it can also create nuclear blasts, and as we know that control nuclear interactions is form of Matter Manipulation.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree: @Mr. Bambu
Neutral:

• Humungousaur Statistics Amplification

Humungousaur has the power to increase or decrease his own body size and mass, and as we know, if his size increases, his strength increases. He can increase his size to 60 feet tall and shrink down to 10 feet tall. This means that he can increase and decrease his strength.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl, @Mr. Bambu
Disagree:
Neutral:

• Celestialsapians BDE (Type 1)

Celestialsapiens born in the forge of creation that is outside of sync with all time which is a system of cause and effect in the verse (Duncan Rouleau stated, the Celestialsapiens is living outside spacetime), and it is also disconnected from the entire fabric of existence and timestream due to a chronal randomization barrier (It also has to be like Space Beyond, which exists outside the Universe and Multiverse) and The Forge of Creation is out of sync with all time and space, and he are unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation, so should be Celestialsapiens has Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1.
(BDE has been returned because BDE can be placed with HDE in same character, like it was placed with Veldanava)
Agree: @Hellformer
Disagree: @Aolphl
Neutral: @OMNIVERSAL-KING

• Alien X Attack Reflection

In Ben 10 Vilgax attack game, He able to in the opposite of Psyphon's attack, where you can see that it is opposite this attack to Psyphon and making it behind Psyphon and Vilgax. And YES, Ben 10 Vilgax Attack game is Canon, as it doesn't contradict the show, and it also mentions things that were shown in the series (Ben, Gwen, and Kavin are amazed that Mor Otesi is a real, which they thought was an legend in AF).
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl, @Mr. Bambu
Disagree:
Neutral:

• Clockwork more feats

In Ultimate Alien series, Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, he able to defeated Eon, and superior to Eon blast (5-A) and also reacted to Eon blast, so (I think is) MFTL+ combat speed, because that Eon blast was able to blitz Way Big
So it should be like this
Attack Potency:

Large Planet level (Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, he overpowered Eon. Likely scales to his own durability), can ignore durability with his abilities

Speed:

Massively FTL+ (Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, able to reacted to Eon blast, who blitz Way Big), Unknown likely higher (Chronosapiens are noted to be fairly slow by alien standards and can easily become winded if forced to run for an extended period of time, forcing them to rely on their time abilities in order to keep pace with others and make them seem as if they are moving extremely quickly to outside viewers)

Also, Clockwork current and Clockwork (11-year-old) were able to stop Eon who was using ChronoNavigator.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Aolphl]

• Celestialsapians BDE (Type 1)

Celestialsapiens born in the forge of creation that is outside of sync with all time which is a system of cause and effect in the verse (Duncan Rouleau stated, the Celestialsapiens is living outside spacetime), and it is also disconnected from the entire fabric of existence and timestream due to a chronal randomization barrier (It also has to be like Space Beyond, which exists outside the Universe and Multiverse) and The Forge of Creation is out of sync with all time and space, and he are unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation, so should be Celestialsapiens has Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1.

Higher-Dimensional Existence (Alien X has a pocket dimension which has its own time and causality disconnected from the rest of time, making him at least 4-D)

Disagree

 

[REX9097]

Disagree

This is not about Alien X's Pocket dimension, not The Forge of Creation.
They also put this in 4D, even though BDH Type 1 are characters that exist outside space-time, and they also have Acausality Type 1 and are not affected by Space-Time Manipulation.

Celestialsapiens

Celestialsapiens are an incredibly powerful alien race native to the Forge of Creation - a section of space lying outside of any individual universe. Celestialsapiens are dormant at most times, requiring agreement between their two conflicting personalities in order to make any action...

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Beyond-Dimensional Existence

Beyond-Dimensional Existence on this wiki refers to the state of being of characters who exist outside, and are independent of, space and its dimensions. This is different from Zero-Dimensionality in that a zero dimensional thing is still spatial in nature, but simply lacks more than zero...

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[Aolphl]

This is not about Alien X's Pocket dimension, not The Forge of Creation.

It doesn't make any mean. Where HDE is, BDE is invalid. In order for you to add BDE to these characters, you first need to remove the HDE in them.

 

[REX9097]

It doesn't make any mean. Where HDE is, BDE is invalid. In order for you to add BDE to these characters, you first need to remove the HDE in them.

Ok I didn't know about this

 

[Hellformer]

• Aggregor Matter Manipulation

It is noteworthy that Aggregor has the ability to absorb matter and energy and merge it with him, as when he absorbed 5 Aliens, he absorb their power and matter and merged them with him (you can see this in that his Ultimate form is a mixture between 5 Aliens).

• Aggregor Power Absorption

He mentioned that he absorb entire power of 5 Aliens and even when he absorbed them they no longer existed

• Atomix Matter Manipulation

It is mentioned that Atomix can create and manipulate atomic or nuclear, and it can also create nuclear blasts, and as we know that control nuclear interactions is form of Matter Manipulation.

• Humungousaur Statistics Amplification

Humungousaur has the power to increase or decrease his own body size and mass, and as we know, if his size increases, his strength increases. He can increase his size to 60 feet tall and shrink down to 10 feet tall. This means that he can increase and decrease his strength.

• Celestialsapians BDE (Type 1)

Celestialsapiens born in the forge of creation that is outside of sync with all time which is a system of cause and effect in the verse (Duncan Rouleau stated, the Celestialsapiens is living outside spacetime), and it is also disconnected from the entire fabric of existence and timestream due to a chronal randomization barrier (It also has to be like Space Beyond, which exists outside the Universe and Multiverse) and The Forge of Creation is out of sync with all time and space, and he are unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation, so should be Celestialsapiens has Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1.

• Alien X Attack Reflection

In Ben 10 Vilgax attack game, He able to in the opposite of Psyphon's attack, where you can see that it is opposite this attack to Psyphon and making it behind Psyphon and Vilgax. And YES, Ben 10 Vilgax Attack game is Canon, as it doesn't contradict the show, and it also mentions things that were shown in the series (Ben, Gwen, and Kavin are amazed that Mor Otesi is a real, which they thought was an legend in AF).

• Clockwork more feats

In Ultimate Alien series, Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, he able to defeated Eon, and superior to Eon blast (5-A) and also reacted to Eon blast, so (I think is) MFTL+ combat speed, because that Eon blast was able to blitz Way Big
So it should be like this
Attack Potency:

Speed:

Also, Clockwork current and Clockwork (11-year-old) were able to stop Eon who was using ChronoNavigator.

Agree

 

[REX9097]

Agree

I cleared BDE Type 1 and added Resistance to Reality Destruction

 

[Aolphl]

• Alien X Attack Reflection

In Ben 10 Vilgax attack game, He able to in the opposite of Psyphon's attack, where you can see that it is opposite this attack to Psyphon and making it behind Psyphon and Vilgax. And YES, Ben 10 Vilgax Attack game is Canon, as it doesn't contradict the show, and it also mentions things that were shown in the series (Ben, Gwen, and Kavin are amazed that Mor Otesi is a real, which they thought was an legend in AF).

This is better evidence

 

[REX9097]

This is better evidence

He reacted to blast not reflected

 

[REX9097]

Disagree

Do you agree with the rest?

 

[Aolphl]

He reacted to blast not reflected

Are we ignoring the laser that reflected off Alien X's hand?

Do you agree with the rest?

This:

• Aggregor Power Absorption

He mentioned that he absorb entire power of 5 Aliens and even when he absorbed them they no longer existed

And this:

• Alien X new abilities

Alien X survived the destruction of the entire Universe by the Annihilarrgh, which have Reality Destruction, so Alien X should be have Resistances to Reality Destruction (Must be added with Resistance to Space-Time Manipulation and Erase Existence).

Are already in the profile. I don't think there will be any point in bringing it up again.

 

[REX9097]

Are already in the profile. I don't think there will be any point in bringing it up again.

Power Absorption was not added to Aggregor (Absorption was added instead), and Resistance to Reality Destruction was not added either.

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Not sure that BDE CRTs are allowed before Ultima applies changes due to tiering revision, if it's allowed then count me agreeing (otherwise nutral)
Solid agree to everything else

 

[Aolphl]

Power Absorption was not added to Aggregor (Absorption was added instead),

Click on the "Power and Abilities" that is in Aggregor's profile, and you will see that it is in the profile.

and Resistance to Reality Destruction was not added either.

• Existence Erasure, Space-Time Manipulation (Survived the destruction of the entire Universe by the Annihilarrgh)

As a result of what you mentioned, Alien X already has these two resistances.

 

[REX9097]

Click on the "Power and Abilities" that is in Aggregor's profile, and you will see that it is in the profile.

As a result of what you mentioned, Alien X already has these two resistances.

Shouldn't Reality Destruction be added with them?

 

[Hellformer]

Not sure that BDE CRTs are allowed before Ultima applies changes due to tiering revision, if it's allowed then count me agreeing (otherwise nutral)
Solid agree to everything else

Only for type 2 iirc

 

[Hellformer]

How about you keep BDE argument intact and ask for HDE removal?

 

[Aolphl]

First key, blue "Power and Abilities"

Absorption (Of Energy, DNA, Mana (Life Force and Magic), Matter and Powers and Abilities)

Click on profile what I marked as bold.

Shouldn't Reality Destruction be added with them?

I think no

 

[Aolphl]

How about you keep BDE argument intact and ask for HDE removal?

I don't think that would be possible. It would be better to talk to Reiner, Greenshifter or Firestorm.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

In Ultimate Alien series, Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, he able to defeated Eon, and superior to Eon blast (5-A) and also reacted to Eon blast, so (I think is) MFTL+ combat speed, because that Eon blast was able to blitz Way Big
So it should be like this

Ben 10,000’s aliens are more powerful than present Ben’s, so this can’t really be used as evidence for Clockwork’s AP. I think Clockwork should have MFTL+ reaction speed though based on how he can react to the other characters in the series.

 

[REX9097]

Ben 10,000’s aliens are more powerful than present Ben’s, so this can’t really be used as evidence for Clockwork’s AP. I think Clockwork should have MFTL+ reaction speed though based on how he can react to the other characters in the series.

Ben 10,000 is weaker then Ben Prime; he even indirectly admits to this himself, in 'End of an Era' when he tells Ken to travel back in time and bring Ben Prime for help to fight against Maltruant, he clearly says “There is only one person in the universe who can help us now.” which was clearly Ben Prime, which means that Ben Prime Aliens is stronger than Ben 10,000 Aliens

 

[REX9097]

Click on the "Power and Abilities" that is in Aggregor's profile, and you will see that it is in the profile.


As a result of what you mentioned, Alien X already has these two resistances.

Do you agree with the rest?

How about you keep BDE argument intact and ask for HDE removal?

I don't think it will be good because it will be very bad because as you know, HDE is higher than BDE

 

[REX9097]

• Aggregor Matter Manipulation

It is noteworthy that Aggregor has the ability to absorb matter and energy and merge it with him, as when he absorbed 5 Aliens, he absorb their power and matter and merged them with him (you can see this in that his Ultimate form is a mixture between 5 Aliens).
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING
Disagree:
Neutral:

Also Aggregor should also be granted the Biological Manip as he is able to fuse Ailens' DNA with it

 

[Aolphl]

Do you agree with the rest?

Yes, I agree with everything except BDE

 

[NXCHT.66]

In order for you to add BDE to these characters, you first need to remove the HDE in them.

Why must HDE. be removed? I just still don't understand the reason. a character can't have HDE. and BDE. at the same time. right?

 

[Aolphl]

Why must HDE. be removed? I just still don't understand the reason. a character can't have HDE. and BDE. at the same time. right?

A character cannot have these two things at the same time

 

[NXCHT.66]

A character cannot have these two things at the same time

But I find that some characters have these two things at the same time, like Bob.

BOB (Twin Peaks)

Mike? Mike! Can you hear me? Catch you... with my death bag... You may think I have gone insane... but I promise. I will kill again! BOB is an eerie, ancient spirit from the metaphysical dimension of chaos known as the Black Lodge, having been born outside of space and time itself, spewed forth...

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[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

REASON BEHIND HDE :
HDE (instead of BDE) was given because there was argument like : "Celestialsapiens aren't bounded by regular spacetime and thus they must have a different spacetime for themselves"
HERE'S WHY IT SHOULD BE BDE NOT HDE
But forge of creation is already beyond hypertimestream and annihilarg While annihilarg is reason of creation of concept of time in verse so I guess it should be BDE not HDE (if it doesn't get accepted, I will make a further detailed CRT for it after implementation of new tiering )

 

[Aolphl]

But I find that some characters have these two things at the same time, like Bob.

BOB (Twin Peaks)

Mike? Mike! Can you hear me? Catch you... with my death bag... You may think I have gone insane... but I promise. I will kill again! BOB is an eerie, ancient spirit from the metaphysical dimension of chaos known as the Black Lodge, having been born outside of space and time itself, spewed forth...

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Different keys

 

[Mr. Bambu]

• Aggregor Matter Manip and Biological Manip

It is noteworthy that Aggregor has the ability to absorb matter and energy and merge it with him, as when he absorbed 5 Aliens, he absorb their power and matter and merged them with him (you can see this in that his Ultimate form is a mixture between 5 Aliens). Also since that he combined matter of the 5 Aliens with him, then he combined the DNA of the 5 Aliens with his own DNA.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree:
Neutral:

Seems straightforward, what're the scans from?

• Atomix Matter Manipulation

It is mentioned that Atomix can create and manipulate atomic or nuclear, and it can also create nuclear blasts, and as we know that control nuclear interactions is form of Matter Manipulation.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree:
Neutral:

I can't really agree to this based on its Fandom wiki page. Sorry.

• Humungousaur Statistics Amplification

Humungousaur has the power to increase or decrease his own body size and mass, and as we know, if his size increases, his strength increases. He can increase his size to 60 feet tall and shrink down to 10 feet tall. This means that he can increase and decrease his strength.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree:
Neutral:

I agree with this, even if a lot of the scans are really bad or straight up don't work. Those that I can actually read agree with the proposal. Same question as the first one, though, given that we require references for stuff, I'd like to know where these come from.

• Alien X Attack Reflection

In Ben 10 Vilgax attack game, He able to in the opposite of Psyphon's attack, where you can see that it is opposite this attack to Psyphon and making it behind Psyphon and Vilgax. And YES, Ben 10 Vilgax Attack game is Canon, as it doesn't contradict the show, and it also mentions things that were shown in the series (Ben, Gwen, and Kavin are amazed that Mor Otesi is a real, which they thought was an legend in AF).
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree:
Neutral:

Seems basically fine. One speculates that the ability is probably limited, given the rare use of it, in what it can affect, but that remains speculation. I agree with the addition.

• Clockwork more feats

In Ultimate Alien series, Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, he able to defeated Eon, and superior to Eon blast (5-A) and also reacted to Eon blast, so (I think is) MFTL+ combat speed, because that Eon blast was able to blitz Way Big
So it should be like this
Attack Potency:

Large Planet level (Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, he overpowered Eon. Likely scales to his own durability), can ignore durability with his abilities

Speed:

Massively FTL+ (Ben 10,000 using Clockwork, able to reacted to Eon blast, who blitz Way Big), Unknown likely higher (Chronosapiens are noted to be fairly slow by alien standards and can easily become winded if forced to run for an extended period of time, forcing them to rely on their time abilities in order to keep pace with others and make them seem as if they are moving extremely quickly to outside viewers)

Also, Clockwork current and Clockwork (11-year-old) were able to stop Eon who was using ChronoNavigator.
Agree: @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Aolphl
Disagree:
Neutral:

I don't really understand what's happening in the video- some explanation would be appreciated. He calls on Clockwork and uses his beam, is that it? I also wouldn't really call that reacting- they just shot at each other.

 

[NXCHT.66]

Different keys

and what about Veldanava in the same key.

Veldanava (Light Novel)

"Ha-ha-ha! Well, because I'm not omnipotent. When I was born, all that existed was my will. It was complete, fully, not a piece missing to it—a flawless existence, where all was one and one was all. I was the only thing in the world. Doesn't that sound boring to you?" Veldanava to guy on why he...

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[Aolphl]

and what about Veldanava in the same key.

Veldanava (Light Novel)

"Ha-ha-ha! Well, because I'm not omnipotent. When I was born, all that existed was my will. It was complete, fully, not a piece missing to it—a flawless existence, where all was one and one was all. I was the only thing in the world. Doesn't that sound boring to you?" Veldanava to guy on why he...

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Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.

I don't know about the verse, but it's probably wrong. BDE is, to be clearly lacking of spatiotemporal features.

HDE is:

A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions.

Speaking in simple terms, a "dimension" can be considered an axis of movement and measurement, through which beings and objects can displace themselves throughout a given physical system. 1-dimensional beings would only be able to dislocate themselves to left and right across a single direction, while 2-dimensional beings would have an additional spatial axis inherent to them, and thus be able to move up and down as well. Finally, 3-dimensional beings like ourselves are able to displace themselves left and right and up and down, as well as forwards and backwards, encompassings parts of additional axes of space.

Following this same principle, a 4-dimensional being would be capable of moving through an additional, perpendicular direction incomprehensible to lower-dimensional beings, and this can be generalized unto any higher number of dimensions.

The difference should be easily understable

 

[Hellformer]

I think there should be a separate thread for removing HDE and adding BDE type 1. So we better focus on the other additions by the OP

 

[REX9097]

Seems straightforward, what're the scans from?

These scans come from the Cartoon Network Action Pack comic, which according to Duncan Rouleau is considered canon. Also this scan has also been used in Ben 10 Aliens Upgraded and has been AGREE

Seems basically fine. One speculates that the ability is probably limited, given the rare use of it, in what it can affect, but that remains speculation. I agree with the addition.

It is not rare, because Alien X as we know its use is very little, and he using this again in Omniverse, so not limited

I don't really understand what's happening in the video- some explanation would be appreciated. He calls on Clockwork and uses his beam, is that it? I also wouldn't really call that reacting- they just shot at each other.

Ben 10K uses Clockwork as we can see, when Eon attacked using time ray blast, Ben 10K (using Clockwork) was able to repel the attack and at the same time defeat Eon.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

It is not rare, because Alien X as we know its use is very little, and he using this again in Omniverse, so not limited

Want it known I didn't suggest putting it on limited, since while I think the implication is there, it's only an implication and little more.

That said, you're contradicting yourself saying this. "It isn't rare, because it's used very little". That's what I'm getting at with noting how rarely it is used, is all.

 

[REX9097]

I don't know about the verse, but it's probably wrong. BDE is, to be clearly lacking of spatiotemporal features.

I don't think so, as they live in a place outside space-time, and 3-D beings they don't have the awareness to be aware his place like Ben, and the place they live in (The Forge of Creation) is unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation (like FSM) so it must have both HDE (At least 4-D) and BDE (Type 1)

 

[REX9097]

That said, you're contradicting yourself saying this. "It isn't rare, because it's used very little". That's what I'm getting at with noting how rarely it is used, is all.

I meant Alien X, not Attack Reflection, since Ben doesn't use Alien X much because he need to Bellicus, Serena, and Ben agree with their decision.

 

[Hellformer]

I don't think so, as they live in a place outside space-time, and 3-D beings they don't have the awareness to be aware his place like Ben, and the place they live in (The Forge of Creation) is unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation (like FSM) so it must have both HDE (At least 4-D) and BDE (Type 1)

Then do not remove BDE t1

 

[Aolphl]

I don't think so, as they live in a place outside space-time, and 3-D beings they don't have the awareness to be aware his place like Ben, and the place they live in (The Forge of Creation) is unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation (like FSM) so it must have both HDE (At least 4-D) and BDE (Type 1)

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.

Ben 10: HDE and Infinite lifting strength for Alien X

This CRT is pretty simple; Alien X body itself is iself a Pocket Universe with infinite galaxies shown in the events of Universe recreation when he sent galaxies outside of his body in the main Universe, it has been already accepted here and written on his profile. Serena, Bellicus and Ben...

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This CRT is pretty simple; Alien X body itself is iself a Pocket Universe with infinite galaxies shown in the events of Universe recreation when he sent galaxies outside of his body in the main Universe, it has been already accepted here and written on his profile.

Due to his Body being Universe itself it should qualify for HDE aka 4D and he should have infinite lifting strength as was accepted here by 2 staff members already via telekinesis.

Alien X already is not bound by spacetime of any Universe means his pocket Dimension has its own Time Dimension and causality and it's as well has been accepted already. Done.

Alien X does not have HDE because it is outside of Space and Time, it has HDE because it has a Universe within itself, you need to understand this. Alien X is obviously not suitable for BDE because he contains a Universe in itself, if you want to add BDE to Alien X, you first need to debunk the argument that "Alien X contains a Universe in itself"

 

[REX9097]

Want it known I didn't suggest putting it on limited, since while I think the implication is there, it's only an implication and little more.

That said, you're contradicting yourself saying this. "It isn't rare, because it's used very little". That's what I'm getting at with noting how rarely it is used, is all.

Also can you look at this and do you agree?

• Celestialsapians BDE (Type 1)

Celestialsapiens born in the forge of creation that is outside of sync with all time which is a system of cause and effect in the verse (Duncan Rouleau stated, the Celestialsapiens is living outside spacetime), and it is also disconnected from the entire fabric of existence and timestream due to a chronal randomization barrier (It also has to be like Space Beyond, which exists outside the Universe and Multiverse) and The Forge of Creation is out of sync with all time and space, and he are unaffected by Space-Time Manipulation, so should be Celestialsapiens has Beyond-Dimensional Existence Type 1.
(BDE has been returned because BDE can be placed with HDE in same character, like it was placed with Veldanava)
Agree: @Hellformer
Disagree: @Aolphl
Neutral: @OMNIVERSAL-KING

And are you Agree with Aggregor Matter Manip and Clockwork?