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Before starting with the arguments, let's revise the tiering system FAQ
(Note: This portion of the FAQ is the same as new one made by Ultima, check it over here)
The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinite points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime.
A spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one, could likewise be visualized as a line comprised of uncountably infinite points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the entire regular timeline with 3 space and 1 time dimension. It would hence be one level of quantitative superiority above a timeline and as such baseline Low 1-C.
From all this info, we can conclude that a space-time continuum can have 2 time axes if it is comprised of uncountably infinite points, each being a static snapshot of regular space-time continuum.
Elaboration:
"Think of time and space as this tree. Down here is when you were 10 years old. Right here is now. Up here is when you'll be 30 years old. The trunk is the main timeline. These branches represent alternate timelines, where reality literally branches off and becomes a different timeline, each containing its own Ben Tennyson."
Implying that each static snapshot of Prime Ben's Universe gets branched into an alternative reality existing as it's own universe inside the Space Beyond. And this can be well understood by looking the tree shown by Paradox where you can see different branches arising from each "Snapshot" of Prime Ben's Universe. For simple explanation to NW Ben, Paradox explains for 3 instances like 10, 16 and 30 year old.
Some Good examples of this would be:
1) Ben 23's universe where the Ben is 10 to 11 years old without the Guidance of Grandpa Max while Prime Universe has the total opposite which serves as a snapshot of Ben being guided by Max.
2) "Paradox: As Gwen guessed, cross-time is made up of parallel versions of the history we know. There are hundreds of them... a world where Gwen found the Omnitrix, a world where albedo turned to alien x and was trapped motionless for nearly a year, a world where you didn't have to destroy the Omnitrix to defeat Vilgax.
Ben 10K: Et cetera.
Paradox: Ad infinitum."
• Gwen 10's universe where Ben doesn't get the Omnitrix is an alternate snapshot of 10 year old Prime Ben getting the Omnitrix.
• Albedo transforming into Alien X is an alternative snapshot of the second last and last episode of Alien Force
• Another Universe where Ben did not destroy his Recalibrated Omnitrix to defeat Vilgax which is another snapshot for the last episode of Alien Force.
3) In Ben 10 Classic, Ben and Gwen traveled to some alternative universe where Ben was wearing a Prototype Omnitrix which could be a universe where Ben neither lost Feedback nor removed the Omnitrix.
4) No Watch Ben's Universe where Ben never got the Omnitrix is an alternative snapshot of 10 year old Prime Ben getting the Omnitrix.
These are the alternative snapshots which were either shown or talked about but this process goes ad infinitum as mentioned by Paradox.
(There are more examples within the show but mentioning these many as of now)
Take a look at this diagram for how each snapshot gets branched into an alternative reality as explained by Paradox, since he clearly establishes by saying "when you were 10 years old, now and when you will be 30 years old"
(SS=Snapshot. I have mentioned 3 of them for convenience but there are an uncountably infinite number in total)
The space beyond does not get affected by destruction of 1 universe. In Ben 10 Omniverse season 1 episode 10, the prime universe got wiped out but the space beyond wasn't affected at all. Heck even after CTB destroyed all the timelines, the NW Ben's Universe existed without any hindrance which requires space beyond to exist Implying that the space beyond didn't get destroyed. Proving that it's not bound by the lower temporal dimension of each universe. We also know that the powers of a Chronosapien does not work in a timeless range which was evident from Maltruant not being able to use his powers in Season 8 episode 10. However in order for clockwork's powers to work on range of the Space Beyond post CTB destruction, it should have a higher temporal dimension in order to be performed.
Summary:
The space beyond over here serves as the 2nd temporal dimension which holds uncountably infinite universes hence should qualify for Low 1-C scale.
Other things affected from this thread would be the Chronosapien time bomb which can be programmed to destroy all the uncountable infinite universes hence it's AP should be changed to Low 1-C as well
Agree: @LuffyRuffy46307 @OMNIVERSAL-KING @Firestorm808 @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69
Disagree:
Neutral:
(Note: This portion of the FAQ is the same as new one made by Ultima, check it over here)
The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinite points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime.
A spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one, could likewise be visualized as a line comprised of uncountably infinite points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the entire regular timeline with 3 space and 1 time dimension. It would hence be one level of quantitative superiority above a timeline and as such baseline Low 1-C.
From all this info, we can conclude that a space-time continuum can have 2 time axes if it is comprised of uncountably infinite points, each being a static snapshot of regular space-time continuum.
Elaboration:
"Think of time and space as this tree. Down here is when you were 10 years old. Right here is now. Up here is when you'll be 30 years old. The trunk is the main timeline. These branches represent alternate timelines, where reality literally branches off and becomes a different timeline, each containing its own Ben Tennyson."
Implying that each static snapshot of Prime Ben's Universe gets branched into an alternative reality existing as it's own universe inside the Space Beyond. And this can be well understood by looking the tree shown by Paradox where you can see different branches arising from each "Snapshot" of Prime Ben's Universe. For simple explanation to NW Ben, Paradox explains for 3 instances like 10, 16 and 30 year old.
Some Good examples of this would be:
1) Ben 23's universe where the Ben is 10 to 11 years old without the Guidance of Grandpa Max while Prime Universe has the total opposite which serves as a snapshot of Ben being guided by Max.
2) "Paradox: As Gwen guessed, cross-time is made up of parallel versions of the history we know. There are hundreds of them... a world where Gwen found the Omnitrix, a world where albedo turned to alien x and was trapped motionless for nearly a year, a world where you didn't have to destroy the Omnitrix to defeat Vilgax.
Ben 10K: Et cetera.
Paradox: Ad infinitum."
• Gwen 10's universe where Ben doesn't get the Omnitrix is an alternate snapshot of 10 year old Prime Ben getting the Omnitrix.
• Albedo transforming into Alien X is an alternative snapshot of the second last and last episode of Alien Force
• Another Universe where Ben did not destroy his Recalibrated Omnitrix to defeat Vilgax which is another snapshot for the last episode of Alien Force.
3) In Ben 10 Classic, Ben and Gwen traveled to some alternative universe where Ben was wearing a Prototype Omnitrix which could be a universe where Ben neither lost Feedback nor removed the Omnitrix.
4) No Watch Ben's Universe where Ben never got the Omnitrix is an alternative snapshot of 10 year old Prime Ben getting the Omnitrix.
These are the alternative snapshots which were either shown or talked about but this process goes ad infinitum as mentioned by Paradox.
(There are more examples within the show but mentioning these many as of now)
Take a look at this diagram for how each snapshot gets branched into an alternative reality as explained by Paradox, since he clearly establishes by saying "when you were 10 years old, now and when you will be 30 years old"
(SS=Snapshot. I have mentioned 3 of them for convenience but there are an uncountably infinite number in total)
The space beyond does not get affected by destruction of 1 universe. In Ben 10 Omniverse season 1 episode 10, the prime universe got wiped out but the space beyond wasn't affected at all. Heck even after CTB destroyed all the timelines, the NW Ben's Universe existed without any hindrance which requires space beyond to exist Implying that the space beyond didn't get destroyed. Proving that it's not bound by the lower temporal dimension of each universe. We also know that the powers of a Chronosapien does not work in a timeless range which was evident from Maltruant not being able to use his powers in Season 8 episode 10. However in order for clockwork's powers to work on range of the Space Beyond post CTB destruction, it should have a higher temporal dimension in order to be performed.
Summary:
The space beyond over here serves as the 2nd temporal dimension which holds uncountably infinite universes hence should qualify for Low 1-C scale.
Other things affected from this thread would be the Chronosapien time bomb which can be programmed to destroy all the uncountable infinite universes hence it's AP should be changed to Low 1-C as well
Agree: @LuffyRuffy46307 @OMNIVERSAL-KING @Firestorm808 @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69
Disagree:
Neutral:
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