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Ben 10 Hyperversal upgrade
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Dont lie.
Many people notice this, especially outside VSB. On this wiki, very often people do not speak their own opinions, but refer to the opinions of authorities.
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Huh? Ik people use it but whats this gotta do with my comment, Reiner accused someone of using it when they didn't
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To clear any misunderstanding, I didn't really quoted anyone to have things not go over or prevent debates of who did what why and not since beginning and it's not accusation anyway but to stop going over needless things, it can be realised by the person involved w/o quoting either way so it's better to avoid putting on spots is what I do mostly. What was I saying that we all read which staff gave what opinion on what matters, there's really no need to keep presenting their statements as if they hold undeniable values over other. Considering it was kept going with samething, I said we can stop with "He said/she said stuff".
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I'd like to see more ideas, but for now I agree.
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Thank you for your input Elizhaa!
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What's your opinion on compromise solution of possibly, Qaws and elizhaa are fine with it as well? Given deadlock of 4:3, it seems this thread quite nearing the maximum staff interaction w/o any conclusive votes on either side.
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Still firmly in no, nor do I think your counter presents a strong enough argument that a likely or possibly is adequate.
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You don't, you know why, why pretend you don't.
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Cuz I don't, the only thing I know is that you purposely tried to take a clear cut statement outside of it's context
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Well you lost me, I have no idea what you're referring to. Granted I don't bother to remember most things beyond like a week, but this ain't ringing any bells.
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To clarify, what needs to be provided to shift your opinion?
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That's out of context. There's big difference about when u talk about alternate dimensions and when u talk about axiomatic dimensions.
The convo btw naljians was followed with higher and lower dimensions as in coordinates of space, "Ben can perceive 3 dimensions", how many are there? " 26". Context is clear af dunno how "Alternate dimension" is even being asserted with no evidence as if naljians are going around throwing random bullshit no asked for.
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Why do only 26 alternate universes matter and since when does Ben have super-vision where he can see in 3 parallel universes at the same time?
Vietthai96
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E12 want evidences that these dimensions is significant in size, such as universal length or infinite
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I'm going to be honest, as a fan of Ben 10 and someone knowledgeable on TIer 1, I pretty much know that the series doesn't actually care enough about the 26 dimensions or the omniverse to give any of them the proper explanation or details needed to meet the wiki's standards. They are just background fluff to make these new one-off extradimensional aliens look smarter and more impressive than everything else, and have something for Ultimate Albedo to ramble about to look even crazier than he normally is and give the heroes time to make their plan, they aren't actual cosmological structures; their fun little side fluff that happens in-between actual important events in the story.
Long story short, I'm in a Doylist mood-set again and beats me, but very likely scans and not just a fans hypothesis based on some scientific theory they heard elsewhere on the wiki.
I also probably didn't need that whole first paragraph, but I've already spent time writing it before realising that said time was wasted.
Long story short, I'm in a Doylist mood-set again and beats me, but very likely scans and not just a fans hypothesis based on some scientific theory they heard elsewhere on the wiki.
I also probably didn't need that whole first paragraph, but I've already spent time writing it before realising that said time was wasted.
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I think it's goes to not considering those dimensions spatial in nature rather than size.
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Well it's more I take issues in just presuming they are spatially equivalent to the three dimensions of space we perceive, when... well I repeated myself enough times you know how it goes. But, yeah I also don't consider that omniverse statement enough to prove all of them being of significant size.
Honestly, the issue can be summed up in it's simplest term as trying to use two brief one-off not very detailed statements to get big tier jump, I kinda want a bit more detail, explanation, and just evidence in generally that these things have any significance to the greater cosmology of the series beyond forgettable background fluff.
Honestly, the issue can be summed up in it's simplest term as trying to use two brief one-off not very detailed statements to get big tier jump, I kinda want a bit more detail, explanation, and just evidence in generally that these things have any significance to the greater cosmology of the series beyond forgettable background fluff.
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Well, Albedo is indeed talking about greater cosmology and has gained cosmic awareness. So both is kinda given. I think it's mostly like u dont feel we should take albedo statement seriously but that ends to a subjective debate of disagreements.
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Albedo also said, paraphrasing: "the omniverse goes on forever, in all directions" which isn't a whole lot to go off on, and only through this wiki's interest in higher dimensions is it taken to mean all directions go on infinitely, so all dimensions mentioned are of a significant size. And while it could mean that, it could also just be meaningless rabble from a insane alien gone even madder with intellectual power, who is about to be defeated by the idiot human who can change into aliens for the umpteenth time in a row.
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We take statements of super genius guys or those who holds significant knowledge over cosmology seriously. Him going "madder" or maybe, insane, is just one's personal opinion. He's, at that time, smartest being in the Universe with knowledge beyond any. Him getting defeated was a work of Ben getting his 2nd most powerful alien by chance. Regardless of how smart u are, that doesn't guarantee win over absolute force. And anyway, Ben winning any fight is given even if he was weak or dumb af, given bro is MC lmao. All fiction forces their way in to that. No one wants to end their show just coz villian is smart or, strong.
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Are you assuming how my argument came to be? Trust me, you can't guess it.
So you admit they intended to make them look impressive?
Albedo's statement is very detailed and the Naljians statement is at least clear enough to know they're talking about spatial dimensions.
It doesn't always have to be super-duper complicated to get an upgrade, straightforward statements exist.
... Albedo literally says this while Ben is still trapped and even states that he sees things the way Azmuth sees them, meaning he's no longer mad actually, he's enlightened. In fact it's literally stated that Azmuth is too smart to be evil.
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The only reason Ben won at that time is because Albedo became too smart to be evil, after that it's just "fight, fight, fight".
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Ben is dumb, if their was scene where he was asked a relatively simple math question and he had to count on his fingers it would not surprise me.
Ben is resourceful, Ben has a good heart, Ben has friends and family who will be with him thick or thin, Ben is good at playing to the personalty flaws of people who get to caught up in their own intelligence, Ben ain't smart.
Ben is resourceful, Ben has a good heart, Ben has friends and family who will be with him thick or thin, Ben is good at playing to the personalty flaws of people who get to caught up in their own intelligence, Ben ain't smart.
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... That is very smart, just not necessarily academically smart.
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As a Ben 10 fan, I'd take it as an offense Ngl. Given all his feats about it. I'd really. But anyway, being not good at academics doesn't means u aren't smart or good at outsmarting. Even paradox has acknowledged him.
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Tbh I could give you a full page of Ben's intelligence feats rn, but it'd be derailing.
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One word from me: NO
Anyway, I agree with a solid rating, but my agreement doesn't matter anyway
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Well, anyone who has watched Ben 10 knows how smartly Ben has handled things himself, not counting pis and all. He's consistently smart ass.
Not as much detailed tbh but I never thought about updating his intelligence but it's still enough to say my bro is not dumb man, don't gaslight his intelligence like that.
Intelligence: Ben is rather disinterested in school and thus is not particularly worldly at first. This flaw was compounded by the fact that he had a short attention span and preferred to enjoy himself and shirk responsibility as any boy his age would. However, he matures and becomes extremely well-accustomed to battling alien lifeforms over the course of his adventures to the point of facing the universe's most vile and powerful villains and coming out on top in the end. As a teenager, he actually attempts to study. He got a C+ on his worst subject, Chemistry after only studying for a few minutes (And likely the 3 hours he had until his exam began the following morning). In addition, he becomes a brilliant scientist as an adult, developing his own Omnitrix systems and even fusing multiple aliens together for various effects on top of handling crime almost entirely by himself. However, he still has his bouts of arrogance from time to time, and occasionally comes off as lazy and reckless. Furthermore Ben as a teenager is an intergalactic police officer known as Plumber and visits planets to solve alien related crimes on a daily basis. Even during the time his friends were about to be killed he maintained his composure and outsmarted Vilgax on the planet Primus while he lost his Omnitrix.
Not as much detailed tbh but I never thought about updating his intelligence but it's still enough to say my bro is not dumb man, don't gaslight his intelligence like that.
Vietthai96
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Man, i said NO to Green, but Reiner did it instead, what the hell....lmao
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26D is happening, it is no longer a delusion, now alien X has become omnipotent.
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I don't want to derail this topic, but sorry do you know what a joke is?
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Anyway, seeing all the talking points each side brought up, I'm gonna vote neutral on this.
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He has no haki, so… Akainu victim.
OMNIVERSAL-KING
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It's accurate
I even have some evidences for outerversal and high hyperversal [high hyperversal scale is Reiner's type 3 multiverse scale while I scale Ben 10 to the outerversal using space beyond]
I can contact you on message wall if you want to know about those scales
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Me when I take things out of context
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