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Ghengiroo115
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Cannonbolt feat is 2.393e28 Joules, so a little under the Talpaedan feat.
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Canonbolt feat is kind of on same lvl as Armodrillo. Ig 10Ć multiplier do not really mess up anything other than providing further scaling chain and characters upscaling from it.
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Ben's aliens never damaged it other than cannonbolt, he even called it indestructable
Ghengiroo115
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Four Arms does slightly break the Big Tickās shell, but yeah most of his aliens are ineffective actually.
However, Ben is both stated and shown to get stronger over time. Using just OS seasons 1 and 2 as examples:
- Vilgax easily beat all of Benās Aliens in Secrets
- Kevin 11 quickly overwhelmed Four Arms in Framed
- Kevin 11 and Diamondhead were pretty much equal in Grudge Match
- Ben was able to last against both Vilgax and Kevin for a good amount of time in Back with a Vengeance (Note that Vilgax and Kevin are equal)
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The scaling comes from surviving his underbody explosion and pressure too which was enough to destroy his exo body.
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i was talking about the other aliens, not cannonbolt
Ghengiroo115
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I believe everyone so far is for Vilgax being 10x stronger in AF, so I think it all depends on which feat the characters are going to scale to.
At the very least OS characters should scale to the Sub-Energy, as 1/10th the Talpaedan feat is around 1/3rd the Sub-Energy so might as well scale them up to it at that point. That would make OS characters 1.82 Exatons (High 6-A), Teen era characters 18.2 Exatons (High 6-A+), Ultimate Greg 91 Exatons (5-C), Ultimate Hugh 182 Exatons (5-C) & both Ultimate Kevin and Echo Echo somewhat above that.
However this is the lowest end, OS characters could also be scaling to the Big Tick, Talpaedans or the Galvanic Mechamorph feat. Iāll jot down how those would scale in a moā.
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Wait where does 18.2 exatons comes from?
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Go with big tick one as that would make more sense with regular Aliens scaling to other regular Aliens like talpadeans.
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Down & upscaling from vilgax who is 10 times stronger after OS.
Ghengiroo115
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It comes from being 10x the Sub-Energy which is 1.82 Exatons
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Iām gonna list all three just in case
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Didn't vilgax stomp all of Ben's aliens minus Dimondhead?
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He did till ben got serious which we saw him when he used diamond hand. Also he scales to highbreed who are stated to be equal to vilgax, and later on ben has gone on par with vilgax multiple times (ben becoming stronger with time thing).
Ghengiroo115
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So for the Big Tick, Ben should scale as Four Arms cracked its shell, Cannonbolt survived its internal explosion that destroyed its shell and Ben is shown to grow stronger throughout the series. This would make OS characters 5.71 Exatons (High 6-A), Teen era characters 57.1 Exatons (5-C), Ultimate Greg 285.5 Exatons (5-C+) and Ultimate Hugh 571 Exatons (Low 5-B).
For the Talpaedans, OS characters should scale as theyāre consistently shown to be on the level of average and above average members of a species (Malware, Tini of the Galactic Enforcers, Philās Vulpimancers, etc). This would make OS characters 6.21 Exatons (High 6-A), Teen era character 62.1 Exatons (5-C), Ultimate Greg 310.5 Exatons (5-C+) and Ultimate Hugh 621 Exatons (Low 5-B). A small but notable increase over the last option.
For the Galvanic Mechamorphs it comes from Ben scaling to second form Malware and the Retaliator Armour. This would make OS characters 1.82 Zettatons (Low 5-B), Teen era characters 18.2 Zettatons (Low 5-B), Ultimate Greg 91 Zettatons (5-B) and Ultimate Hugh 182 Zettatons (5-B).
Ghengiroo115
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Actually I just thought of something: shouldnāt Ultimate Greg be 6-7x since he also absorbed his staff and is (according to Derrick J. Wyatt) a clone of Kevin?
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I think we can't accept derrick j waytt as reliable unless suggested in the show that what he said is true
Ghengiroo115
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True, but itās either heās a clone or heās an older mutant with the same powers so I feel he should scale to Kevin regardless. Plus he has Durability feats so I feel he should just flat out scale to Kevin. And then the staff should affect the formās power as well, unless we just decide itās an extension of Aggregorās own AP and doesnāt scale anywhere itself anymore.I think we can't accept derrick j waytt as reliable unless suggested in the show that what he said is true
Either way Ultimate Greg should be at least 6x his base self imo. Also if we did accept his staff amping his AP then would that also affect his Durability?
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Oh I nearly forgot, Omniverse Kevin 11 would be 30.94 Exatons (5-C), 97.07 Exatons (5-C), 105.57 Exatons (5-C) or 30.94 Zettatons (Low 5-B+) due to possessing the DNA of at least 7 combat-applicable aliens.
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Before I go snooze I just want to bring up one more thing that might support the Low 5-B feat, and thatās Ultimate Humungousaur being used against Sir George. Now Iām not saying UH should scale to George or the Ascalon feat, especially since Ben doesnāt even know the details of that feat. However he does know three things:
- That Ascalon can destroy planets
- That base Humungousaur got completely embarrassed by George earlier
- That George was holding back and claimed he wouldnāt hold back in the next fight
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Don't OV humungausaur and Malware scales to Ult Humungausaur due to being 100 times of OS? (It lines up with the logic that ben Aliens gets stronger with time, as we do know Ben 10000s aliens are ******* High 5-A).
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OS characters 6.21 Exatons (High 6-A), Teen era based ben Aliens scales to prime AF vilgax who was 10Ć than before, so 62.1 Exatons (5-C), In the same episode of vengeance of vilgax ben surpassed vilgax in base as he was able to defeat him with diamond hand, increase in size is proportional to strengt so that makes full sized humungausaur 310.5 exatons (5-C+), later scalings depends on if characters are shown to be stronger than all ben Aliens or full sized humungausaur (Later on vilgax and highbreed do ig?), Ultimate Greg 1,863 Exatons (Low 5-B) and Ultimate Hugh 3105 Exatons (Low 5-B).
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Whereās 100x coming from? Iām pretty sure the only Alien that āscalesā to Ultimate Hugh in Omniverse is Feedback, but that could just be from him absorbing Hughās energy or Hugh having a weakness to electricity like Ultimate Echo Echo.
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I was on weeds, despite having watched hundred of times he said so to feedback my random error was set to Humungausaur.
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But either way, this?
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I donāt think Gregās individual parts should be scaling to full-size Hugh. I donāt remember if he used full-size against Ultimate Greg, but since he has at least 6x AP and at least 7x Durability Hugh would be weaker regardless.
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I do remember that he barely has used Full sized humungausaur ever after vengeance of vilgax. But did he really never fought anyone or got harmed? Like by vilgax or highbreed? Or that there was Alien or whatever to whom Ben cannot defeat (not using waybig) but later on in the series he did easily or smth?
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I was watching some āall Humungousaur scenesā on Youtube to check because I couldnāt remember myself, but I guess you beat me to it lmao
Btw should DāVoid scale to full-size Hugh?
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OS characters 6.21 Exatons (High 6-A) (because of scaling to fourarms who somewhat broke bigticks shell and canonbolt surviving bigticks internal explosion which broke his shell again), Teen era based ben Aliens scales to prime AF vilgax who was 10Ć than before, so 62.1 Exatons (5-C), In the same episode of vengeance of vilgax ben surpassed vilgax in base as he was able to defeat him with diamond hand, increase in size is proportional to strengt so that makes full sized humungausaur 310.5 exatons (5-C+), (No one scales to full grown hum1,863ungausaur directly), Ultimate Greg Exatons (Low 5-B) and Ultimate Hugh 3105 Exatons (Low 5-B).
Possibly rating due to galvanic Mechamorph feat will follow the same results and multipliers from OS to end.
Possibly rating due to galvanic Mechamorph feat will follow the same results and multipliers from OS to end.
Ghengiroo115
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Didnāt notice it before but Iām not sure on Ultimate Hugh being 10x full-size Hugh.
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D'Void one happened before the events of vengeance of vilgax so ig no?
Ghengiroo115
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Are we insinuating that Ben getting revived made him way stronger or something?
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