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Agree with your thread
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Ben 10: HDE and Infinite lifting strength for Alien X
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There is a Ben 10 game information thingy where they say Alien X is above our plane of existence iirc
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In the game Vilgax attacks idk if we consider it Canon here Ben had too travel intergalactic distance in order too get into the Pocket Dimension
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It actually says “transcends"
4D Alien X
4D Alien X
the_doctor
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Bump, here. Why you don't try alien x 5D thread?
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Alien X is already 5-D
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Its alien x ap, not existence
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Hopefully we get immeasurable lifting strength out of this for Alien X creating a 5-D universe and being above it.
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I have no issues with the proposal.
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I have no issues with the proposal either.
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Yes for The Hax stuff, lower Dimensional beings can interact with higher Dimensional beings but not with their Entirety. Alien X is 4D but one can percieve their 3D image/projections as has been written on the ability page, been was able to interact with 3D projections of naljians and Contumelias further proving it.
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Agreed
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thats because the nanjians and contumelias have to be 3D so characters can perceive them
people can interact with alien x but not his inside 4D self.
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Robo ain't gonna respond to that cringe, you can interact with higher Dimensional beings but not as 4D or 5D but only with their 3D projections. Ability page says that clearly.
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aint no you way you dodging
i agree that ax inside is 4D but not outside
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I would dodge you off the existence. It's not aca 5 that requires completely no interaction you can interact with their 3D projections.
Alot of HDE characters has been accepted even tho 3D beings can interact with them. That doesn't mean much.
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examples???
the only way i see 3D beings interacting with HDE beings is if the HDE being lowers their dimensionality or theyre inside form is Higher D
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Mr Mxypltz, Contumelias, naljians and no you see that wrong.
Our ability page clearly says that you can interact with their 3D projections or slices, it doesn't need to lower Dimensionality or whatever. So point is just doesn't matter.
Pseudo-Invulnerability: Due to the additional axis spatially inherent to them, higher-dimensional objects are comprised of more information than what can normally be described in lower-dimensional spaces, and thus may only be capable of interacting with them through lower-dimensional "slices" or cross-sections of their bodies.
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mr mxy is not a good example since dc dimensional stuff is going through revisions. also mxy can lower his dimensionality so 3d people can perceive him anyway which ax hasn't been shown to do.
i already addressed the contumelia and nanjian argument
there is no proof that keven, gwen etc see a slice of alien x's body lol. its literally the opposite
thats why i agree with alien x inside self being HDE, not outside.
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why did you put me on disagree tf
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Because you disagree with Alien X being 4D coz no interaction should be possible, and no, there is no proof that trio interacted with naljians cross section, that's simple logic that they would. I've put you down in disagreement anyway. It's not aca 5.
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no bruh i agree with alien x inside being 4d which you proposed
just not outside
also strawman. i never said the trio can interact with cross section of nanjians tf???
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This is false analogy because they literally just interact with an outside part of the pocket reality, not a cross section of a higher dimensional structure or something and this is common in fiction tbh. Like I have a wallet that can contain whatever I want (like a building) but I don't need large range to merely hold the wallet at all.
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"It's common in fiction to contain large 3D spaces in small volumes", that's only and only have been the case with the things of same Dimensionality, where small 3D spaces gets expanded from inside as an expanded space. But there hasn't been a case ever that 4D space itself has been reduced to 3D space, no, that's Dimensional Manipulation which requires explicit proof of being done. Naljians in Ben 10 have higher Dimensionality and Trio can clearly see them, interact with them and all but they never said to interact with "their cross section", that's default assumption unless proven otherwise. I don't see any fiction ever saying that you're interacting with my cross section, no.
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the reason why the trio can interact with the Nanjians is literally because they lowered their dimensionality to 3D
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Prove it
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I don't say anything about lowering dimensionality tho, but it's about the fact that you don't need to fully affect an internal structure of a pocket reality just to fully affect the outside.
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"you only perceive 3 dimensions"
"we were on an afternoon excursion to the lower dimensions and she must have dropped it out of her carriage, iv'e been looking everywhere for it"
She literally lowered her dimensionality to 3D to look for her daughters favorite toy
this is implying nanjians are higher D
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Alien X body itself a pocket Universe, that had be 4D, same as our all organs are unless proven otherwise.
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She must have duh, prove they lowered their Dimensions my guy, that's your arguement is.
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I don't say his body is not a pocket universe, I'm saying that in order to fully affect a pocket universe from the outside you don't need to fully influence its inner part.
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Unlocked the profile.
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Thank you, I applied the changes, this thread and profile both can be locked.
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