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Alien X and the Contumelia have immeasurable lifting strength!

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Dragonite007 said:
"Greenshifter". Well, I discovered the problem... Anyway, leave this fodder behind, If you want a explanation about Ben 10 ask @Reiner04
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Reiner said somewhere that he left VSBW and he ain't the one who gave this explanation sooooo. Just a clarification, that greenshifter gave explanation for Large Size type 10.
 
Dragonite007 said:
Also the reason for they Large Size is just: "Large Size (Type 10; Contumelias are 5th dimensional beings)"
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Contumelia and their large size aside. Do you agree with Alien X and the Celestialsapiens immeasurable lifting strength due to Alien X lifting the Universe and the alternative spaces in the Universe like Legerdomain.
 
DonkeySlayer06 said:
For that, my Annihilarg revision needs to be completed. Then it can be accepted.
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It can already be accepted. Alien X lifted Legerdomain with it's own space-time continuum and alternative spaces in the Universe is already enough for immeasurable lifting strength. If your permanently 26D Annhilarrgh crt gets accepted then we can just change the description but we can get immeasurable lifting strength for Alien X now.
 
AThe1412 said:
Did you look at the profile or the first video in the OP? Lower-dimensional beings can't perceive the Contumelia's true form but instead sees them as whatever holds the most emotional sway over them. In Ben's case, he sees them as a bunch of sentient human-sized smoothies.
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So you agree with the Contumelia and the Celestialsapiens having Immeasurable lifting strength?
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Not really up for tackling the other stuff at the moment but this is not justification for Immeasurable lifting strength. The Annhilarrgh doesn't have Immeasurable weight, it's just a device that can destroy the universe.
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I know that the Annihilarrgh doesn't have immeasurable weight but it destroyed things that did have immeasurable weight like the Universe and it's space time continuum(as stated by Paradox), Legerdomain with it's space time continuum(as stated by Gwen and Charmcaster) and everything else in the Universe.

Alien X recreated it all and moved it from his body as shown here.

It's even arguable that Alien X moved the whole verse given that  Ben states-'That's the Universe! It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus- 'Was.'
 Serena- 'Technically.'
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Not really up for tackling the other stuff at the moment but this is not justification for Immeasurable lifting strength. The Annhilarrgh doesn't have Immeasurable weight, it's just a device that can destroy the universe.
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
I know that the Annihilarrgh doesn't have immeasurable weight but it destroyed things that did have immeasurable weight like the Universe and it's space time continuum(as stated by Paradox), Legerdomain with it's space time continuum(as stated by Gwen and Charmcaster) and everything else in the Universe.

Alien X recreated it all and moved it from his body as shown here.

It's even arguable that Alien X moved the whole verse given that  Ben states-'That's the Universe! It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus- 'Was.'
 Serena- 'Technically.'
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Do you agree on Alien X having Immeasurable lifting strength?
 
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
1.The Contumelia have immeasurable lifting strength.

The Contumelia are 5th dimensional beings and thus have Large size (Type 10), this is shown on their page, which already makes them infinitely superior to any 3 dimensional space, and thus exceeding basic infinite mass as the wiki indicates. They are seen walking around able to effortlessly supporting their own mass in their appearance.
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If the argument is that Contumelia is Immeasurable LS thanks to the Large Size type 10, they are have normal human height, so this is invalid. If the argument is that Contumelia is because they are five-dimensional beings, this will again be invalid because, as it says on the Lifting Strength page, existence =/= Immeasurable LS.
Do, however, note that characters who exist as living spacetime continuums or similar do not automatically qualify for this, as spacetime is not a material object, and thus does not have mass being met by an opposing force (Unless otherwise stated). Therefore, simply existing as one is unquantifiable in terms of Lifting Strength.
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Also Contumelia's profile says:
Note: The Contumelia seem to be one of the cases when the creators did not apply the full implications of a higher-dimensional scale, as they need technology to create or destroy universes, which is why they have Unknown statistics.
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They have no feats other than creating and destroying the universe with technology. For this reason, they do not qualify for anything.

So I disagree.
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
Alien X could also effortlessly move multiple infinite masses across the infinite universe. But I'd like to argue that Alien X also moved alternate spaces that are in the Universe. Like the Null Void, an extradimensional pocket dimension that goes on forever(skip to 17:00) and Legerdomain, a alternate dimension made of multi-dimensional mana inside the universe with it's own space-time continuum.(It was even stated by Paradox that Ben also recreated time when he recreated the universe). Starbeard stated that Ben with his Celestialsapien form recreated 'the universe' and everything in it.
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I guess these won't be able to help you because Null Void and Legordomain are only High 3-A according to the Cosmology page. The mention of Null Void as an extra-dimensional place is insufficient to add an extra-spatial axis there. Higher-Dimensional Existence page says:
  • Stating that something is Extra-Dimensional simply means it comes from outside of the regular 3-dimensional space. It does not necessarily mean that it has an extradimensional axis in contrast to 3-dimensional objects, without further context.
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So Null Void does not play any role here. And finally, Alien X only moved galaxies, not universes. If he had moved the universe, he would already have Immeasurable Lifting Strength. What you are saying things is Infinite Lifting Strength at the most, nothing more.

I disagree.
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
There is also the argument that Alien X affected not just a singular dimension/timeline. Alien X also recreated Mad Ben's alternative dimension as shown by the Mr. Smoothly logo change in the background.
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That doesn't seem to make much mean. There is a Crt related to this. Wait for it to end.
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
I know that the Annihilarrgh doesn't have immeasurable weight but it destroyed things that did have immeasurable weight like the Universe and it's space time continuum(as stated by Paradox), Legerdomain with it's space time continuum(as stated by Gwen and Charmcaster) and everything else in the Universe.

Alien X recreated it all and moved it from his body as shown here.

It's even arguable that Alien X moved the whole verse given that  Ben states-'That's the Universe! It's everything I know. It's everything there is.'
Belecus- 'Was.'
 Serena- 'Technically.'
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Considering you see singular objects moving from his body and then things like the earth being re-created, I wouldn't say he moved it "all" from his body but infinite is infinite in regards to the bigger structures such as the universe so i guess the Immeasurable Lifting Strength with telekinesis can work.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Considering you see singular objects moving from his body and then things like the earth being re-created, I wouldn't say he moved it "all" from his body but infinite is infinite in regards to the bigger structures such as the universe so i guess the Immeasurable Lifting Strength with telekinesis can work.
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Immeasurable lifting strength via Telekinesis. Got it👍
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Considering you see singular objects moving from his body and then things like the earth being re-created, I wouldn't say he moved it "all" from his body but infinite is infinite in regards to the bigger structures such as the universe so i guess the Immeasurable Lifting Strength with telekinesis can work.
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Thanks for your vote
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
1.The Contumelia have immeasurable lifting strength.

The Contumelia are 5th dimensional beings and thus have Large size (Type 10), this is shown on their page, which already makes them infinitely superior to any 3 dimensional space, and thus exceeding basic infinite mass as the wiki indicates. They are seen walking around able to effortlessly supporting their own mass in their appearance.
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Disagree
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
2.Celestialsapiens have immeasurable lifting strength.

The Celestialsapiens should all logically upscale from the Contumelia due to being the strongest beings in their respective verse.

Alien X could also effortlessly move multiple infinite masses across the infinite universe. But I'd like to argue that Alien X also moved alternate spaces that are in the Universe. Like the Null Void, an extradimensional pocket dimension that goes on forever(skip to 17:00) and Legerdomain, a alternate dimension made of multi-dimensional mana inside the universe with it's own space-time continuum.(It was even stated by Paradox that Ben also recreated time when he recreated the universe). Starbeard stated that Ben with his Celestialsapien form recreated 'the universe' and everything in it.

There is also the argument that Alien X affected not just a singular dimension/timeline. Alien X also recreated Mad Ben's alternative dimension as shown by the Mr. Smoothly logo change in the background.

The Annhilarrgh can destroy an entire multiverse and Alien X recreated it and moved it from his body as shown here.
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Agree
 
Dragonite007 said:
What? Do you know that can exist non-infinity sized beings in high dimensions, right? The Omniversal Force don't have nothing to do with the contumelia

Its like saying that humans are Universal sized, because the universe is that big, their ship (The place where's they live, create things and protect themselfs) is not even town sized.
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Tell me you don’t understand how (part of) the tiering system works without telling me you don’t understand.
 
Greenshifter said:
1) They should also be Low Complex without tech and
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Someone brought this up in a previous thread and it got rejected
Greenshifter said:
2) why not? They’re not made of space-time and they can move around.
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It does make sense butttttttttt
The staffs don't agree with this.

Btw good to see you back after a long time, M̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ y̶o̶u̶ r̶e̶t̶u̶r̶n̶e̶d̶ f̶o̶r̶ a̶ p̶u̶r̶p̶o̶s̶e̶
 
Hellformer said:
Someone brought this up in a previous thread and it got rejected
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I’ll just assume their reasoning was bad compared to my accepted reasoning.

Hellformer said:
It does make sense butttttttttt
The staffs don't agree with this.
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Weird

Hellformer said:
Btw good to see you back after a long time, M̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ y̶o̶u̶ r̶e̶t̶u̶r̶n̶e̶d̶ f̶o̶r̶ a̶ p̶u̶r̶p̶o̶s̶e̶
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Yeah I need a scan of Clockwork time traveling in a magazine. Didn’t even realize I was gone for more than a month.
 
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