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Ben 10: HDE and Infinite lifting strength for Alien X

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This CRT is pretty simple; Alien X body itself is iself a Pocket Universe with infinite galaxies shown in the events of Universe recreation when he sent galaxies outside of his body in the main Universe, it has been already accepted here and written on his profile.
Serena, Bellicus and Ben Tennyson hold absolute control inside Alien X's body, which is a pocket universe that contains many galaxies[5]
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Due to his Body being Universe itself it should qualify for HDE aka 4D and he should have infinite lifting strength as was accepted here by 2 staff members already via telekinesis.

Alien X already is not bound by spacetime of any Universe means his pocket Dimension has its own Time Dimension and causality and it's as well has been accepted already. Done.

Agree: @Firestorm808 , @DarkDragonMedeus , @Shadowbeast , @Larssx , @AKUTO123 , @Barbar01 , @Greenshifter , @Not_Icarus , @Maitreya , @the_doctor , @Forthegood, @Delta333 , @AnimesFreak2

Disagree: @Robo

neutral: @Abstractly_a_Protagonist
 
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Greenshifter said:
Disagree, Alien X's pocket dimension is completely empty aside from the personalities and its 3D size is unknown.
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You gotta make your thread to prove that it's impty and all since that's not what is accepted here and it having whatever 3D size is unrelated if it is not bounded by All Time but of it's own, 4D is needed not L2C.
 
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Not_Icarus said:
Unrelated but shouldn't Alien X resist existence erasure and reality warping as listed powers? He survives the annihilargh with no issue and the device is listed to have those abilities.
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Wait it does? If that's the case then should but for next thread ig.
 
Annihilarg is listed to have reality destruction (existence erasure), so yes. I'd like to have him have explicitly resist reality warping in the wiki as well to complete the basic cosmic tier resistances but I can't come up with anything right now for that unfortunately lol.
 
reiner wtf?
"Most three-dimensional beings see a Contumelia as an animate projection of what holds the most emotional sway over them"
ben can perceive a 3d form of contumelia
3D mfs can literally interact and perceive alien x, touch him etc
 
Reiner said:
You gotta make your thread to prove that it's impty and all since that's not what is accepted here and it having whatever 3D size is unrelated if it is not bounded by All Time but of it's own, 4D is needed not L2C.
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Iirc it was accepted by staff somewhere. If you’re right about the latter though I suppose I’ll agree.
 
Robo said:
reiner wtf?
"Most three-dimensional beings see a Contumelia as an animate projection of what holds the most emotional sway over them"
ben can perceive a 3d form of contumelia
3D mfs can literally interact and perceive alien x, touch him etc
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Robo, meh I'll say.
 
Robo said:
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address my argument please
i feel like i am missing something very important
i agree with the lifting strength tho
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You just need to be higher Dimensional, interacting is absolutely possible, naljians and trio can interact, same with many other characters who has HDE.
Greenshifter said:
Only the pocket dimension gets HDE
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And that pocket Dimension is currently accepted to be Alien X body.
 
Reiner said:
You just need to be higher Dimensional, interacting is absolutely possible, naljians and trio can interact, same with many other characters who has HDE.
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You can't interact with the entirety of a higher-D being, even if their higher-D size is insignificant. Unless you have the ability to do so.
Reiner said:
And that pocket Dimension is currently accepted to be Alien X body.
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Hmm, carry on then I suppose. Though it is also accepted to exist outside of the universe or "hidden".
 
Greenshifter said:
You can't interact with the entirety of a higher-D being, even if their higher-D size is insignificant. Unless you have the ability to do so.
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that would mean every character in ben 10 who has interacted with alien x has the ability to interact with a higher D being (since the argument is ax having HDE)
 
Greenshifter said:
You can't interact with the entirety of a higher-D being, even if their higher-D size is insignificant. Unless you have the ability to do so.
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Yeah, you're not interacting with entirety of Alien X anyway but just interacting with them, that is not a contradiction.

Greenshifter said:
Hmm, carry on then I suppose. Though it is also accepted to exist outside of the universe or "hidden".
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So the Alien X.
 
Forgot to say this earlier but yeah I agree with infinite/immeasurable lifting strength Alien X. Shouldn't it be Immeasurable though? He created and moved a 5-D universe and is above it.
 
Robo said:
that would mean every character in ben 10 who has interacted with alien x has the ability to interact with a higher D being (since the argument is ax having HDE)
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If they can interact with entirety, sure but can we be sure? No, they have their own time flowing for entire pocket Dimension which wouldn't be percieved.
Greenshifter said:
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Alien X has been accepted to be outside of spacetime.
Robo said:
no where it is stated that alien x is higher dimensional like the contumelias. those guys are completely different
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Arguement in the OP is not about statement but about why they're HDE, they're pocket universe with their own time flow and causality.
 
Reiner said:
If they can interact with entirety, sure but can we be sure? No, they have their own time flowing for entire pocket Dimension which wouldn't be percieved.
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yes bruh thats why i agree with serena and belecius being higher D, not alien X
 
Isn’t the inside of alien x a separate dimension from the outside body? Because they can lift alien x despite not obviously being able to lift the galaxies inside him. If so I think the “inside” of alien x and Serena and Bellicus (and Ben) themselves would be HDE. Agree with immeasurable LF as well.

You might also be able to get immortality type 9 for him because of that too btw
 
Maitreya said:
Isn’t the inside of alien x a separate dimension from the outside body? Because they can lift alien x despite not obviously being able to lift the galaxies inside him. If so I think the “inside” of alien x and Serena and Bellicus (and Ben) themselves would be HDE. Agree with immeasurable LF as well.

You might also be able to get immortality type 9 for him because of that too btw
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THIS.
 
Not_Icarus said:
Annihilarg is listed to have reality destruction (existence erasure), so yes. I'd like to have him have explicitly resist reality warping in the wiki as well to complete the basic cosmic tier resistances but I can't come up with anything right now for that unfortunately lol.
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No offense dude.
But I would like if this thread stayed under a simple topic and goal for the sake of no derailment, which is to answer if Alien X (and by extension, other Celestial Sapien) qualify for HDE or not and the LS stuff.

I recommend you to talk with Reiner via his wall, DM, discord or better yet, go to Ben 10 discussion thread to talk about these potential upgrade.
 
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