Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

[Reiner04]

Does everyone still not scale to each other in speed? Fr?

Nope: maltruant scales to Atomix an all.

Speed: FTL combat speed with Massively FTL reactions (Maltruant was able to dodge all of future Gwen's attacks. Was also able to react to Atomic-X's attacks and used time stop in time before any of his attacks reached him)

 

[Greenshifter]

Atomix is fodder. Diamondhead scales to Malgax in speed.

 

[Reiner04]

Atomix is fodder. Diamondhead scales to Malgax in speed.

Speed: Relativistic combat and reaction speed (Kept up with Vilgax and Kevin 11) | Relativistic combat and reaction speed (Kept up with Kevin)

 

[Greenshifter]

Should scale

 

[Reiner04]

Also that Diamondhead not having weapon mastery sucks.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

George used spatial cutting only once and it ignored the distance between him and Dagon, after that he didn't really hurt Dagon anymore. Thus we can infer that Dagon and Vilgax are weak to spatial cuttting, which Ben didn't use, thus Ascalon scales and thus Ultimates and Lucubra Vilgax don't scale.

The thing for me though is that Dagon doesn't seem to take things seriously at all. His first reaction to seeing George was to call him an insignificant speck and send a group of Esoterica at him. Like I don't think there are many things more disrespectful than being so unimpressed by the power of the guy that sealed you away for a 1000 years that you send fodder after him. Compare this to Ultimate Way Big, who Dagon was shocked by the power of even after calling base Way Big a "slightly bigger speck". After the Ultimate Way Big fight his attacks are shown to be easily cuttable by George and even temporarily blockable by one of Gwen's shields, which is a massive downgrade from his showing against Ultimate Way Big. This continues for a little bit until Chromastone shows up, where we get an almost blatant showing of Dagon going from shuddering from George and Chromastone's attacks to him being completely unmovable by them. After this is where Dagon casually kills George with a single attack, with this I believe being the first time he hits George in the entire fight.

Dagon's general demeanour throughout the fight and him suddenly overwhelming George at the end really says to me that he's holding back immensely for most of it. I honestly don't think Ascalon scales to Dagon at all. Or maybe I'm just scared it'd ruin my totally based Low Multiversal scaling for Dagon.

Oh, should have just said that from the beginning lol, here is some wank, you truly are a based individual imo

My completely unbiased, 100% honest reaction (This was not worth the five minutes it took to figure out how to add an image)

 

[Reiner04]

(This was not worth the five minutes it took to figure out how to add an image)

 

[Spilxson2]

Also that Diamondhead not having weapon mastery sucks.

Still no Inorganic Physiology either

 

[Spilxson2]

Oh, should have just said that from the beginning lol, here is some wank, you truly are a based individual imo (he's my favorite alien as well, screw Alien X).

What in the name of Primus is that username

 

[Reiner04]

What in the name of Primus is that username

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Your imgur links aren't working for me for some reasons.

Weird, they don't work for me either. I copied the link directly from the current profile, and it worked when I clicked the link there. It's the Clairvoyance evidence btw

Such as?

Had Dimensional Travel listed despite explicitly not being able to do that even while upgraded. Also listed Dowsing, Precognition and Telepathy from Maltruant scaling despite never using these abilities, and since we know Clockwork doesn't scale to Maltruant we can't just assume he has it.

A bit of a tangent, but I'm kinda confused on why Maltruant has precognition in the first place since both bits of evidence used in favour of it seem more like him just being knowledgable on how time is supposed to flow.

Yes

Cool, bro do be shmoovin'

All of them technically? Though you can just say all of [insert profile link here]'s abilities.

I'll just do that, then.

You ask @DemonicDude, my other lover.

This is the weirdest Ben Tennyson cosplay I have ever seen

Yup

Coolio

Shouldn't techno bubble has speed equivalent to maltruant considering he was able to react to his attack? And explosion manipulation because he was able fire missiles.

I wasn't sure if scaling with speed would be accepted since Maltruant seemed pretty casual, but yeah I can add Explosion Manipulation.

Does everyone still not scale to each other in speed? Fr?

It's weird to me how characters don't scale to Way Big's speed despite never being portrayed as slower than him or the characters who do currently scale to him.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

1. Would Upgraded Clockwork have Type 2 or Type 3 Multiple Selves?

^Just need an answer to this now.

Also should I give Class M Lifting Strength based off of him knocking Exo-Skull away? Not entirely sure how Lifting Strength is supposed to work.

 

[Reiner04]

Type 3.

I'm also not sure if lifting one works but iirc him uprooting Exo-skull not with AP but LS should upscale him above exo skull, tho I'm not a best person to ask about it. wasn't there a calc mod lurker here once iirc.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Type 3.

I'm also not sure if lifting one works but iirc him uprooting Exo-skull not with AP but LS should upscale him above exo skull, tho I'm not a best person to ask about it.

Added Type 3.

I'll just leave it as Class 100 for now just in case.

 

[Reiner04]

He should also have weapon creation, shape shifting, nanotechnology (created drill and missiles).

 

[Ghengiroo115]

He should also have weapon creation, shape shifting, nanotechnology (created drill and missiles).

Already got the first two, but I somehow didn't realise Nanotechnology would apply under that ability as well.

 

[Reiner04]

but I somehow didn't realise Nanotechnology would apply under that ability as well

It'll, jus like how mcu's Ironman has nanotech for his nanosuit.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Weird, they don't work for me either. I copied the link directly from the current profile, and it worked when I clicked the link there.

I believe I was able to get this to work

 

[Guruguru69]

Should scale

GREEN!

 

[Reiner04]

GREEN!

Who the hell are u. And why you have 69 in ur name. We haven't met before.

 

[Greenshifter]

The thing for me though is that Dagon doesn't seem to take things seriously at all. His first reaction to seeing George was to call him an insignificant speck and send a group of Esoterica at him. Like I don't think there are many things more disrespectful than being so unimpressed by the power of the guy that sealed you away for a 1000 years that you send fodder after him.

George is an out-of-practice glass cannon.

his attacks are shown to be easily cuttable by George

Weren't they always?

temporarily blockable by one of Gwen's shields

Immediately broke and Gwen should get a varies rating.

where we get an almost blatant showing of Dagon going from shuddering from George and Chromastone's attacks to him being completely unmovable by them.

They were running out of juice.

Dagon's general demeanour throughout the fight and him suddenly overwhelming George at the end really says to me that he's holding back immensely for most of it

He's holding back his haxes, not his AP. After all Chromastone can hurt Dagon with a reflected beam which was meant for George.

I honestly don't think Ascalon scales to Dagon at all

You... stabbed me! Oh don't be a baby.

Or maybe I'm just scared it'd ruin my totally based Low Multiversal scaling for Dagon.

Weak.

My completely unbiased, 100% honest reaction (This was not worth the five minutes it took to figure out how to add an image)

Lol, isn't my scaling but it is based on my scaling. So I don't fully agree either.

 

[Greenshifter]

GREEN!

Uh oh, aight time to pack it up boys, the Discord gang found me. Hi Guruguru, how are you doing? Did you really miss me so hard that you made a VSBW account?

 

[Greenshifter]

Who the hell are u. And why you have 69 in ur name. We haven't met before.

He's my boss... and I think he just caught me lacking.
Btw @Guruguru69 meet @Ghengiroo115 and vice versa. Your names look alike.

 

[Greenshifter]

This is the weirdest Ben Tennyson cosplay I have ever seen

You've seen one before?

It's weird to me how characters don't scale to Way Big's speed despite never being portrayed as slower than him or the characters who do currently scale to him.

, it has to do with anti-feats and all that.

 

[Guruguru69]

Uh oh, aight time to pack it up boys, the Discord gang found me. Hi Guruguru, how are you doing? Did you really miss me so hard that you made a VSBW account?

GET BACK TO DISCORD BEFORE I RELEASE THE BLACKMAIL

Who the hell are u. And why you have 69 in ur name. We haven't met before.

Hi Reiner. Missed you too.

He's my boss... and I think he just caught me lacking.
Btw @Guruguru69 meet @Ghengiroo115 and vice versa. Your names look alike.

Sup @Ghengiroo115, wanna know how much of a fraud Green is?

 

[Greenshifter]

GET BACK TO DISCORD BEFORE I RELEASE THE BLACKMAIL

Oh no! Eh eh, in a week or so?

Sup @Ghengiroo115, wanna know how much of a fraud Green is?

Shit

 

[Greenshifter]

wanna know how much of a fraud Green is?

Speaking of, that Omniversal guy who spams everyone’s wall gave me an idea.

 

[Guruguru69]

Oh no! Eh eh, in a week or so?

NO! NOW! Do you want Ben to lose?

Shit

That's right boi

 

[Guruguru69]

Speaking of, that Omniversal guy who spams everyone’s wall gave me an idea.

who

 

[Greenshifter]

NO! NOW! Do you want Ben to lose?

To lose what?

who

@OMNIVERSAL-KING

 

[Guruguru69]

To lose what?

Get in Discord, and I'll tell you.

@OMNIVERSAL-KING

awwww, he's like a mini Greenshifter

 

[Greenshifter]

Get in Discord, and I'll tell you.

Tell me in DMs on here.

awwww, he's like a mini Greenshifter

Grrrrr

 

[Guruguru69]

Tell me in DMs on here.

YOU CAN DM HERE!?

Grrrrr

I do not wanna hear your moans

 

[Greenshifter]

YOU CAN DM HERE!?

Yes, should have probably told you a year ago huh.

 

[Guruguru69]

Yes, should have probably told you a year ago huh.

BRUUUH, dm me

 

[Ghengiroo115]

George is an out-of-practice glass cannon.

But it's not his own power that makes him strong, it's Ascalon's. He would still have Ascalon's durability.

Weren't they always?

That moment when I forget my own argument, just ignore that lol.

Immediately broke and Gwen should get a varies rating.

The shield was able to hold for a couple seconds before fully shattering.

Honestly I'm surprised Gwen doesn't have a varies rating already with how infamously inconsistent her magic is.

They were running out of juice.

George maybe (although I doubt he got that much weaker in just a few seconds), but not Chromastone. Hell his reaction to the power Gwen gave him made it sound like it was on a similar level as the blast from Dagon that he absorbed, which to me only makes sense if Dagon was holding back with his attack.

He's holding back his haxes, not his AP. After all Chromastone can hurt Dagon with a reflected beam which was meant for George.

My assumption was that holding back also applied to his Durability, given how quickly he went from being pushed back to being mostly unfazed by George and Chromastone's attack.

You... stabbed me! Oh don't be a baby.

My argument is that Ascalon hurting Dagon is because of hax and not AP.

Weak.

Funny thing is I realised both of our arguments mostly work for that kinda scaling, since the only thing that really changes are either variable stuff or an artefact with zero relevance after the arc. I guess at this point I'm just being stubborn lol.

Although, would Tier 2 or higher Gwen contradict Mana and Magic lore? IIRC it all comes from Legerdomain which is a High 3-A realm, so wouldn't a Tier 2 magic attack not make any sense? Genuine question here.

Lol, isn't my scaling but it is based on my scaling. So I don't fully agree either.

Tbh I haven't given it a proper look yet beyond skimming through the transcript. I just think any Feedback glazing is extremely based.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

, it has to do with anti-feats and all that.

Is there anything contradictory that doesn't also apply to Relativistic?

Sup @Ghengiroo115, wanna know how much of a fraud Green is?

I'm listening

 

[Guruguru69]

I'm listening

He hasn't even watched all of Ben 10

 

[Greenshifter]

OOF, it's true. I still need to watch... Secret of the Omnitrix. I'M A FRAUD!

 

[Reiner04]

He hasn't even watched all of Ben 10

Rumours has it that he has been stealing @OMNIVERSAL-KING's Ben 10 scales since beginning.