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Nullvoid has a statement about being parallel world doesn't it?
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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread
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Nope, it also literally can't be one since it's embedded within Ben's universe.
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Was it stated to be one?
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Where? If you're right then I'm afraid we'll have to yeet the Null Void being a part of Ben's universe.
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I just had a weird kind of anti-Mandela effect. I remembered on my first watch of the episode that Malware merged with the moon itself and was within all the pieces of Galvan B, but I also thought I realised on rewatches that that wasn’t the case. Turns out I was right the first time and I have no idea how I got that wrong on rewatches.
You could still argue he scales though, as he did it by absorbing power from the Helix and he appears much larger after he crashes down onto Galvan B.
Is there a flight speed feat higher than the tachyon speed?
The reaction I’m referring to is after Gwen shoots the energy into him, where he goes “Oh?!”
Maybe, but he never mentions these realms so we can’t say for sure. Plus this is a Generator Rex episode so the writers are most likely referring to somewhere Ben’s been seen going to.
Oh I agree Dagon uses Mana, I just don’t think there’s confirmation that his power is solely Mana.
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Game, it's also states to be an alternate dimension and, I'm afraid that despite all that, we still have nullvoid and all infinite parallel dimensions as a part of Universe.
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As I remember pink mana was only demonstrated by anodites and alpha rune users?
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Also Charmcaster normally, but otherwise I think you’re right.
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Lol
There's no proof that any of that power is left + Ben only fought pieces of his moon self.
Depends on which tachyon speed you mean but yes, several. Vilgax, Chromastone, Jetray and Aggregor.
Yeah that's him just being surprised that he's getting a power boost.
True, burden of proof is on you though. I don't care much about what the authors intended.
Fair I suppose, it's just that his haxes would be mana-based.
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Which one?
Just you wait.
And Charmcaster and souls and rock monsters.
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Vilgax attack? The one in which he became alien X.
I wonder if I care either way anymore. Considering it won't change the conclusion, I don't feel motivated enough to argue over it, but personally & evidently, I still hold my previous opinion.
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Ah, scans?
Ok, that's convenient.
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I can give right now but considering only I've it. I want u to try bit harder to get it. Reina Sama yk.
Once bitten twice shy. I won't fall for provocation, it won't change anything.
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It amazes me how u ignored it when I said "ONLY I HAVE IT".
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I didn't ignore it
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NEVAAAAAAAThen start begging.
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The consequences would be that u will always find yourself "Lacking".
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Thx, now we just gotta figure out how to make this consistent.
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Malware's absorption boosts have always been permanent unless they're taken from him.
The War of the Worlds one where they travel to the opposite side of the galaxy. Aren't the ones you mentioned all calced lower than those tachyons, or are their instances of slower tachyons that I'm not aware of?
Wouldn't it be on you in this case? It's a Generator Rex episode, they both wouldn't and shouldn't reference Ben 10 lore that has never even been alluded to in the franchise proper.
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Unless he uses said absorbed power to perform a feat, the Helix wasn't a part of him anymore after the feat so. Also Ben only fought pieces of the Malware that absorbed the Helix.
Didn't remember that it was the opposite side of the galaxy. But yes I think only Aggregor edges out then. Tachyons can be all sorts of FTL, the slower they are, the more energetic they are.
The reason it's on you is because you're making the positive claim that it's definitely referring to a realm Ben has traveled to on-screen. The reason why author intent doesn't work is a whole other can of worms but the gist of it is that the work stands by itself and you can't use out of universe reasoning for an argument. Especially since you don't know what the authors were thinking
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I don’t believe he ever absorbed the Helix itself, only its power. But yeah Ben didn’t fight the entirety of Malware so I guess we don’t know for sure how much power was in the one Ben fought.
OK good to know
We have no proof in-universe for either of these interpretations, however the simple fact that the episode is from a different franchise means the statement has to refer to something we’ve seen. Ben casually speaking on the existence of parallel worlds is meant to highlight the different experiences he’s had, as well as to tease aspects of his show to Generator Rex fans that haven’t watched Ben 10. If we say that the Null Void and Legerdomain aren’t “parallel worlds” then that means Ben has no known experience in this field prior to when Heroes United takes place, which means his casual knowledge of the subject isn’t accurate to what his show has in store. Crossovers are partly meant to be advertisements, so alluding to adventures not in the series at this point would be silly.
That’s completely different. Smoothies are something he’s shown to enjoy in the show proper, whereas you’re arguing that Ben was referencing a kind of location that he’s never been shown going to. While it’s possible he’s visited other parallel worlds off-screen, he has to also be talking about a realm he’s already been to on-screen or else it isn’t accurate to what his show has to offer.
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He became one with it, so. But yeah we don't know how much power Malware had left in his forms.
Beautiful out-of-verse reasoning but it literally doesn't matter for the lore. New things for both franchises can be established in a crossover. There is no hidden rule that says that they can't.
Dimension 12 is an example of a dimension Ben could have reasonably visited off-screen. Also Ben going to them "all the time" isn't accurate to what we see in the show anyways.
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The visuals when he does the feat made it look like he was becoming one with the entire moon including the Helix, but we know based on what happens afterwards that he was only merged with the rocks that fell down.
Wait we do?
I’m not saying new things can’t be established, hell the crossovers are where the “millions of dimensions” and “infinite dimensions” statements come from. I’m just saying that with the context of it being a crossover they’d definitely be talking about realms already visited in Ben 10. Considering how it’s meant to advertise Ben 10 to Generator Rex fans, wouldn’t it kinda be false advertising if they were talking about something we never get to see?
Knowing if Ben is talking about the Null Void and Legerdomain or not is pretty important, so since there’s no proof for either argument in the crossover itself we’ve gotta look at out of universe explanations.
Doesn’t visiting Dimension 12 cause you to stop aging?
“All the time” is just slang for “yeah I’ve been to parallel worlds a lot”, the same way Ben says there’s “millions of dimensions” in Heroes Times 2. Ben’s been to the Null Void on-screen four times and Legerdomain once prior to when Heroes United was released, and counting Heroes United itself Ben got to Rex’s dimension through the Null Void. Six of these seven visits to other realms had also been since he first put the Omnitrix back on. I’d say a teenager would consider six instances of cross-dimensional travel in a year to be “all the time”.
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Oh yeah, hence its inside Universe.
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Uh question about Alien Force’s Ben 10,000. Considering it’s stated Ultimate Ben can use the powers of every alien in the Ultimatrix , wouldn’t that include Alien X, and thusly upgrade his Ultimate Ben key ?
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Seems reasonable tbh. Idk the reasons why it's not included.
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Tbh I’m confused on why he’s treated as a sort of composite for all of Ben’s aliens in the first place.
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He kind of shouldn’t be. I just watched the episode. Ultimate Ben allows him to access all of his aliens powers without transforming into them. He isn’t treated as a composite of all his aliens, he just has easier access to all of their powers as Ultimate Ben
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I’d argue that it doesn’t even make it easier to access his powers. He has Master Control so he could just turn into any alien in an instant anyway. I guess he has a more combat-fitting body for transformations like Jetray or Brainstorm though.
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Ultimate ben was stated to be capable of using powers of all his Aliens.
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Yeah but he can’t use all of them at once, he still has to switch between them.
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When could Echo Echo transform into another Alien ?
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I think "Ultimate Ben" in specific, can.
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