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High hyper to high outer, he scales to Ult. Aggregor at best.
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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread
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Any normal person reading this would have a heart attack
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What constitutes as normal
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Probably because Starbeard is too lazy to do anything about it
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Nothing in fiction.What constitutes as normal
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Skill issue.What constitutes as normal
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Plot-Induced Stupidity
Plot-Induced Stupidity, or PIS for short, is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot. For example, if a generally competent, intelligent villain does something stupid like not killing the hero immediately when he has...
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Plot induced stupidity for the entire movie though? Maybe at least put a note on his profile about the High 6-A fights as plot induced stupidity or somethingPlot-Induced Stupidity
Plot-Induced Stupidity, or PIS for short, is a term used to refer to events in a story that contradict a character's normal capabilities for the purpose of the plot. For example, if a generally competent, intelligent villain does something stupid like not killing the hero immediately when he has...
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There could be several factors behind this. He was losing Omnitrices as well and "could" be a potential weakness, Also before that he was kicking everyone's ass throughout the movie it's just the end where he either gave upsubmiited. Either way I'll mention it
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He literally got pushed around by a roller coaster falling on him. I think it's just that the Ben in control of him was a complete moron with his powers. Especially since Vilgax, someone with more skill and knowledge, instantly terraformed the earth with only 50% of Alien X's power
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Being pushed around does not count as being low tier characers. Some of the most powerful characters in fiction get's thrown around by objects a common example is Sir George planet busting sword hitting Ultimate Humungousaur and him survving with No scrath at all
Does that mean he scales to him (or even 50 Percent scale to him
Answer is no
Aliens needs to consistently harm Alien X multiple times.
If a Character is shown to be the strongest but loses in the end for some weird P.I.S stuff it doesn't really mean not stronger than him that's just bad writing. That's just how I see it @Spectral69420 knows better on this
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To back this up even further, OS Vilgax harmed Way Big so if OV Ben > OS Vilgax then OV Ben is high 5-A and since his transformations are superior to his human form then all of his other transformations are High 5-A
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why would 10 year old way big scale to 16 year old way big?
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Outlier + PIS
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Are there any calculations for Way Big running so fast he creates a cyclone that launched the trash monster into space?
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It says that if enough Omnitrices are taken away from Reboot Alien X he can be harmed by lower tier characters, but in the movie Rath still caught him off guard with some of his attacks before being overpowered even though he had no Omnitrices removed. Even before having Omnitrices removed, he was pushed back and caught off guard by a simple roller coaster (which should be far below High 6-A and Low 5-B). Reboot Alien X even says himself that "this watch is more than enough". He's more likely referring to how he only needs that one Omnitrix to maintain the Alien X transformation rather than how the other Omnitrices strengthened his power (since again, with the other ones attached to him he still got pushed around by weaker aliens and a normal roller coaster).
Also there are numerous scenes showing that he doesn't immediately go for Low 5-B attacks even with all the Omnitrices attached, such as when he blasted Gwen as Ripjaws, knocked Rath around numerous times, and punched Big Chill. This doesn't mean that they have Low 5-B durability. It's hard to say that these are outliers when there are so many of them, so the note could probably be changed to be Plot Induced Stupidity. There's also a very strong implication that he wasn't trying to hold back in his battles with Grandpa Max stating that "at least this one survived", showing that he's killed some of the Bens whose Omnitrices he stole.
Since it seems like the amount of Omnitrices he has doesn't actually increase his strength (and he was most likely keeping them just to make sure that the Ben's he stole them from couldn't find him across the multiverse and since his goal was making every other Ben lose everything like he did), it can be assumed that he simply gave up after Bloxx restrained him (showing that he's bad at fighting since Vilgax with half his powers terraformed the earth and could potentially threaten the universe, and since he probably assumed he couldn't do anything with his body restrained).
TLDR: Is Reboot Alien X Low 5-B? Yes, but he also doesn't go for Low 5-B level attacks. He also doesn't get stronger the more Omnitrices he collects, and Vilgax becoming such a threat with only half his powers shows that the alternate Ben in control of him is bad at fighting and doesn't understand the full extend of Alien X's power. So in my opinion, this note should either be changed, or there should be an additional note marking almost the entirety of the movie as Plot Induced Stupidity. Either that, or his inexperience and lack of knowledge could be marked as a notable weakness
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What's the point? It'd be significantly lower than his current tier.
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There was only one calculation for it.
And that was also proven to be incorrect because using faster than the speed of light kinetic energy breaks the calculation rules.
WayBig Gotta go fast
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^What constitutes as normal
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It was a joke my guy
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Green can you explain Spilxion your scaling.
Spilxion and I were talking and Ben 10 Mana being everywhere and he made a point about Ghostfreak
Ghostfreak literally says "Mana is life energy, Mike. I'm a ghost, so I don't have any to absorb! But you know what they say, possession is 9/10 of the law!"
so Mana is not everywhere in Ben 10.
Spilxion and I were talking and Ben 10 Mana being everywhere and he made a point about Ghostfreak
Ghostfreak literally says "Mana is life energy, Mike. I'm a ghost, so I don't have any to absorb! But you know what they say, possession is 9/10 of the law!"
so Mana is not everywhere in Ben 10.
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TLDR: No
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Lmao that’s unironically a good argument by technicality. I’ll let you have the W
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What tier is he then ? (Go ahead WANK as hard as you can although give a breif explaination)
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On VSBW he should be High 6-A
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Cause Terraforming the Earth and stuff count as "Environmental Manipulation" rather than physical ?
oh and what about outside of the wiki
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Uh not really, more-so because Low 5-B is whack and because he doesn’t scale to Alien V
Same as Max at bestoh and what about outside of the wiki
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Dammm mann Alien V >>>> Alien X ?
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Yes
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Also you should talk to Spilxion he is an intelligent guy when it comes Ben 10 verse should probably explain him your scaling or invite to discord or something I donno....I'm just burned out.
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At ease soldierSpectral, Spilxion and everyone else is gonna be
Also you should talk to Spilxion he is an intelligent guy when it comes Ben 10 verse should probably explain him your scaling or invite to discord or something I donno....I'm just burned out.
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Naw I was already skeptical of his rating, I'll just meatride it cuz tier 5 reboot is based. Hope you're alright btwSpectral, Spilxion and everyone else is gonna be
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He has to be but his main weakness is the Ben using the transformation is horrible and stupid at fighting and doesn't know how strong Alien X is
