Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

[Aachintya31]

The blog got everyone wanked ig I am gonna blame everything on @Maverick_Zero_X, @Firestorm808 and @omegabronic

frfr.

 

[Propellus]

7-A base humans doesn't seem consistent otherwise Ben wouldn't even need the watch either way

 

[Reiner04]

7-A base humans doesn't seem consistent otherwise Ben wouldn't even need the watch either way

Yeah. It seems highly inconsistent and not to mention that Ditto, echo echo and many other aliens shouldn't be Tier 7 as well.

 

[Propellus]

Yeah. It seems highly inconsistent and not to mention that Ditto, echo echo and many other aliens shouldn't be Tier 7 as well.

The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier

 

[Reiner04]

The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier

Yeah.

 

[Reiner04]

The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier

16 years ben has Relativistic speed. I have lost my hopes on humanity.

 

[Omegabronic]

The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier

esoterica be like -_- it is quite consistent tbh, specially durability wise, some aliens that overpower ben just upscale

7-A base humans doesn't seem consistent otherwise Ben wouldn't even need the watch either way

abilities and mobility, outside of physical strenght ben is still just a human, spider monkey can jump higher and has acrobatics, jetray can fly, etc + most aliens would just upscale from ben anyway, if anything ben downscales from 7-A,

 

[Omegabronic]

16 years ben has Relativistic speed. I have lost my hopes on humanity.

combat speed and reactions gwen had it for years now, what is the difference?

 

[Propellus]

esoterica be like -_- it is quite consistent tbh, specially durability wise, some aliens that overpower ben just upscale


abilities and mobility, outside of physical strenght ben is still just a human, spider monkey can jump higher and has acrobatics, jetray can fly, etc + most aliens would just upscale from ben anyway, if anything ben downscales from 7-A,

Even then, do explain how these aren't outliers for base Ben. Like his younger self was able to harm him, base Gwen getting her leg broken by falling, etc.

 

[Omegabronic]

Even then, do explain how these aren't outliers for base Ben. Like his younger self was able to harm him

which is an outlier for younger ben

, base Gwen getting her leg broken by falling, etc.

which is a contradiction either way since humans in ben 10 had tier 9 feats for a long time https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Liger686/Ben_10:_Tier_9_Humans
things like "taking damage from falling" are just normal pis is this kind of show, they can't be tier 10 when they have tier 9 feats(some even done cassually)

 

[Omegabronic]

not to mention that Ditto, echo echo and many other aliens shouldn't be Tier 7 as well.

what is the problem with those?

 

[Reiner04]

what is the problem with those?

I CANNOT DIGEST IT. MY STOMACH PAINS

 

[Propellus]

which is an outlier for younger ben


which is a contradiction either way since humans in ben 10 had tier 9 feats for a long time https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Liger686/Ben_10:_Tier_9_Humans
things like "taking damage from falling" are just normal pis is this kind of show, they can't be tier 10 when they have tier 9 feats(some even done cassually)

The anti-feats still apply for literal 7-A humans, and if anything, the tier 9 feats are more consistent for them

 

[Reiner04]

Anyway gotta sleep now Ben 10 is so scary Tier 7 humans smh.

 

[Omegabronic]

I CANNOT DIGEST IT. MY STOMACH PAINS

vomit then, it works for me

The anti-feats still apply for literal 7-A humans

they being humans is irrelevant here

, and if anything, the tier 9 feats are more consistent for them

most, if not all, the tier 9 feats are extremely casual

 

[Omegabronic]

btw, i am going to be occupied until 21:00 so if any of you want to make a thread to downgrade them, make it tomorrow please? thank you

 

[Reiner04]

btw, i am going to be occupied until 21:00 so if any of you want to make a thread to downgrade them, make it tomorrow please? thank you

Good time for me. I can't see base ben folding OG four arms and vilgax in his pocket.

 

[Propellus]

they being humans is irrelevant here

That's not how it works.

most, if not all, the tier 9 feats are extremely casual

Just because they performed casual tier 9 feats doesn't mean that it will elevate them all the way to 7-A, unless if you got consistent 7-A/Tier 8 feats on their own terms. Otherwise you'd assume base Ben would solo all the OG aliens without the use of the watch at all. Which makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Omegabronic]

Good time for me. I can't see base ben folding OG four arms and vilgax in his pocket.

Not gonna lie, this seems like an argument from incredulity

That's not how it works.

Yes it is, fictional humans can be super human in power no problem

Just because they performed casual tier 9 feats doesn't mean that it will elevate them all the way to 7-A

But aren't anchors from higher tiers either, since they are so casual that are a non factor here

, unless if you got consistent 7-A/Tier 8 feats on their own terms.

which they do, have you saw the profiles?

Otherwise you'd assume base Ben would solo all the OG aliens without the use of the watch at all. Which makes no sense whatsoever.

Also an argument of incredulity, they have consistent feats for it? Yes, so yeah, uafo ben would solo all og aliens in power since he has feats for it

 

[Propellus]

Yes it is, fictional humans can be super human in power no problem

Not in this context where you're literally suggesting that base Ben scales to the aliens when they're clearly much stronger than he is. There isn't enough evidence besides outliers. This completely breaks the scaling

But aren't anchors from higher tiers either, since they are so casual that are a non factor here

Again, doesn't make them 7-A, but otherwise would make them 9-B.

which they do, have you saw the profiles?

Which they're outliers and overall not very good justifications.

Also an argument of incredulity, they have consistent feats for it? Yes, so yeah, uafo ben would solo all og aliens in power since he has feats for it

And no, they clearly don't have enough consistent feats to be 7-A period.

 

[Omegabronic]

Not in this context where you're literally suggesting that base Ben scales to the aliens when they're clearly much stronger than he is.

How can they be when that has consistently show to not be the case? Ben has like, 8 feats of surviving and tanking tier 7 characters attacks

There isn't enough evidence besides outliers.

When they are so consistent they stop being outliers

This completely breaks the scaling

how so? Ben downscales from the feat

Again, doesn't make them 7-A

good strawman, i never said that that did, only that "anti feats" like hurting by a fall are the inconsistent ones no matter what and shouldn't be used to downgrade anything

, but otherwise would make them 9-B.

all of the said tier 9 feats are stupidely casual, so much so that they don't matter for the scaling

Which they're outliers and overall not very good justifications.

how are they outliers when they are extremely consistent?

And no, they clearly don't have enough consistent feats to be 7-A period.

Have you saw the profiles? They have like, 8 feats on that level, i can search for more if you want

 

[Propellus]

How can they be when that has consistently show to not be the case? Ben has like, 8 feats of surviving and tanking tier 7 characters attacks

Which would more likely be for durability rather than AP if that were the case.

When they are so consistent they stop being outliers

Then show me more scenes of how it's consistent, or either way I guess the Omnitrix has no point in being used either way if that were the case.

how so? Ben downscales from the feat

You haven't even proved why exactly Ben would downscale from Diamondhead.

good strawman, i never said that that did, only that "anti feats" like hurting by a fall are the inconsistent ones no matter what and shouldn't be used to downgrade anything

I strawmanned nothing, you still basically implied that Ben and the rest of the humans could physically scale to 7-A just because of those.

all of the said tier 9 feats are stupidely casual, so much so that they don't matter for the scaling

See above.

how are they outliers when they are extremely consistent?

Show more proof then

 

[Omegabronic]

Which would more likely be for durability rather than AP if that were the case.

Nope since ben can damage beings who can harm him, like simian

Then show me more scenes of how it's consistent

You are affirming that it isn't consistent even with the scenes on the profiles, but okay, wait till tommorrow and i will bring it to you, since today i am very busy

, or either way I guess the Omnitrix has no point in being used either way if that were the case.

you just ignored my earlier post about mobility hax etc, heck what part of ben DOWNSCALING you didn't understood? Most of them are still stronger then him

You haven't even proved why exactly Ben would downscale from Diamondhead.

Somewhat harming an alien that does?

I strawmanned nothing, you still basically implied that Ben and the rest of the humans could physically scale to 7-A just because of those.

No i didn't, i said that those extremely casual tier 9 feats make your "gwen harmed herself by falling" argument, and any other of such, completely moot

See above.

Same

Show more proof then

Tommorrow since i am busy for today, but also ser the profiles dude

 

[Reiner04]

Not gonna lie, this seems like an argument from incredulity

It is

 

[Propellus]

But in any other case, not everyone literally has to be upgraded or even scale to 7-A. And I also saw in your blog that you were dividing diamondhead's AP to downscale echo echo, you literally can't scale like that without any confirmed multiplier otherwise he'd downscale unquantifiably

 

[Aachintya31]

But in any other case, not everyone literally has to be upgraded or even scale to 7-A. And I also saw in your blog that you were dividing diamondhead's AP to downscale echo echo, you literally can't scale like that without any confirmed multiplier otherwise he'd downscale unquantifiably

I agree.

 

[Omegabronic]

But in any other case, not everyone literally has to be upgraded or even scale to 7-A

everyone that scales to people that scale to diamond head does

And I also saw in your blog that you were dividing diamondhead's AP to downscale echo echo, you literally can't scale like that without any confirmed multiplier otherwise he'd downscale unquantifiably

one echo echo attack can't even flinch thunderpig, who can harm diamond head , and could only deal any significant damage to him, by combining the attack power of 3 echo clones in one attack, 1 combined attack of 3 echos = 3x one echo alone, i can scale as it is logical

 

[Propellus]

one echo echo attack can't even flinch thunderpig, who can harm diamond head , and could only deal any significant damage to him, by combining the attack power of 3 echo clones in one attack, 1 combined attack of 3 echos = 3x one echo alone, i can scale as it is logical

Clones don't necessarily build up a multiplier. And they didn't even harm him even with that, literally all they did was reflect his attack by forming up a forcefield against him

 

[Omegabronic]

Clones don't necessarily build up a multiplier.

It is an adition, imagine each clone as a 1 and thunderpig as a 3, 1<<3, when the echo's combine their powers it is like 1+1+1=3

And they didn't even harm him even with that, literally all they did was reflect his attack by forming up a forcefield against him

They did, wacth the clip again, they attack him and he falls unconcious by the the sonic attack

 

[Propellus]

It is an adition, imagine each clone as a 1 and thunderpig as a 3, 1<<3, when the echo's combine their powers it is like 1+1+1=3

Then you don't divide at all, you just subtract. But even then, I don't think downscaling like that is reliable even there way

They did, wacth the clip again, they attack him and he falls unconcious by the the sonic attack

My mistake then, but still

 

[Reiner04]

It is an adition, imagine each clone as a 1 and thunderpig as a 3, 1<<3, when the echo's combine their powers it is like 1+1+1=3


They did, wacth the clip again, they attack him and he falls unconcious by the the sonic attack

Why swampfire weaker than base ben?

 

[Propellus]

Why swampfire weaker than base ben?

This is also why I said this breaks scaling, why would Ben get suddenly just get slightly weaker with these aliens besides his weaker aliens? Honestly, I can't wait for the humans to get downgraded soon

 

[Omegabronic]

Why swampfire weaker than base ben?

He isn't, ben downscales

 

[Omegabronic]

Then you don't divide at all, you just subtract.

That is what i did tho?

But even then, I don't think downscaling like that is reliable even there way

Why not?

This is also why I said this breaks scaling, why would Ben get suddenly just get slightly weaker with these aliens besides his weaker aliens?

Outside of disbelief, what is the argument against it? Humans being this strong is fairly normal in ben 10, max contending with aliens is so common that it is a meme at this point, the rooter arc exemplify this even further

 

[Propellus]

That is what i did tho?

You clearly divided, don't lie to me.

Why not?

See the rules for multipliers

Outside of disbelief, what is the argument against it? Humans being this strong is fairly normal in ben 10, max contending with aliens is so common that it is a meme at this point, the rooter arc exemplify this even further

That's literally because Max literally has the preparation necessary against these aliens considering that he's a plumber. So do explain how the humans in ben 10 are somehow comparable to them.

 

[Reiner04]

Well how many Tier 7 feat ben even have?

 

[Aachintya31]

Well how many Tier 7 feat ben even have?

Bro ,you've made ben 10 the most wanked verse on the wiki

 

[Reiner04]

Bro ,you've made ben 10 the most wanked verse on the wiki

Not me I just made a cosmology Accurate which has even gone through downgrade thread which has been rejected, cosmology has been accepted by @DontTalkDT himself

 

[Propellus]

I mean, I'm well aware that the scaling in this show is garbage, but the blog made it even worse

 

[Reiner04]

Bro ,you've made ben 10 the most wanked verse on the wiki

Look, can you see a single wank? A single headcanon in the entire cosmology page? All the headcanons Facts has been thoroughly explained.