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frfr.The blog got everyone wanked ig I am gonna blame everything on @Maverick_Zero_X, @Firestorm808 and @omegabronic
Yeah. It seems highly inconsistent and not to mention that Ditto, echo echo and many other aliens shouldn't be Tier 7 as well.7-A base humans doesn't seem consistent otherwise Ben wouldn't even need the watch either way
The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlierYeah. It seems highly inconsistent and not to mention that Ditto, echo echo and many other aliens shouldn't be Tier 7 as well.
Yeah.The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier
16 years ben has Relativistic speed. I have lost my hopes on humanity.The humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier
esoterica be like -_- it is quite consistent tbh, specially durability wise, some aliens that overpower ben just upscaleThe humans should be downgraded, they shouldn't scale to the aliens. And based on the context I went through the blog for the feats for Ben harming those that harmed spidermonkey is pretty much an outlier
abilities and mobility, outside of physical strenght ben is still just a human, spider monkey can jump higher and has acrobatics, jetray can fly, etc + most aliens would just upscale from ben anyway, if anything ben downscales from 7-A,7-A base humans doesn't seem consistent otherwise Ben wouldn't even need the watch either way
combat speed and reactions16 years ben has Relativistic speed. I have lost my hopes on humanity.
Even then, do explain how these aren't outliers for base Ben. Like his younger self was able to harm him, base Gwen getting her leg broken by falling, etc.esoterica be like -_- it is quite consistent tbh, specially durability wise, some aliens that overpower ben just upscale
abilities and mobility, outside of physical strenght ben is still just a human, spider monkey can jump higher and has acrobatics, jetray can fly, etc + most aliens would just upscale from ben anyway, if anything ben downscales from 7-A,
which is an outlier for younger benEven then, do explain how these aren't outliers for base Ben. Like his younger self was able to harm him
which is a contradiction either way since humans in ben 10 had tier 9 feats for a long time https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Liger686/Ben_10:_Tier_9_Humans, base Gwen getting her leg broken by falling, etc.
what is the problem with those?not to mention that Ditto, echo echo and many other aliens shouldn't be Tier 7 as well.
I CANNOT DIGEST IT. MY STOMACH PAINSwhat is the problem with those?
The anti-feats still apply for literal 7-A humans, and if anything, the tier 9 feats are more consistent for themwhich is an outlier for younger ben
which is a contradiction either way since humans in ben 10 had tier 9 feats for a long time https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Liger686/Ben_10:_Tier_9_Humans
things like "taking damage from falling" are just normal pis is this kind of show, they can't be tier 10 when they have tier 9 feats(some even done cassually)
I CANNOT DIGEST IT. MY STOMACH PAINS
they being humans is irrelevant hereThe anti-feats still apply for literal 7-A humans
most, if not all, the tier 9 feats are extremely casual, and if anything, the tier 9 feats are more consistent for them
Good time for me. I can't see base ben folding OG four arms and vilgax in his pocket.btw, i am going to be occupied until 21:00 so if any of you want to make a thread to downgrade them, make it tomorrow please? thank you
That's not how it works.they being humans is irrelevant here
Just because they performed casual tier 9 feats doesn't mean that it will elevate them all the way to 7-A, unless if you got consistent 7-A/Tier 8 feats on their own terms. Otherwise you'd assume base Ben would solo all the OG aliens without the use of the watch at all. Which makes no sense whatsoever.most, if not all, the tier 9 feats are extremely casual
Not gonna lie, this seems like an argument from incredulityGood time for me. I can't see base ben folding OG four arms and vilgax in his pocket.
Yes it is, fictional humans can be super human in power no problemThat's not how it works.
But aren't anchors from higher tiers either, since they are so casual that are a non factor hereJust because they performed casual tier 9 feats doesn't mean that it will elevate them all the way to 7-A
which they do, have you saw the profiles?, unless if you got consistent 7-A/Tier 8 feats on their own terms.
Also an argument of incredulity, they have consistent feats for it? Yes, so yeah, uafo ben would solo all og aliens in power since he has feats for itOtherwise you'd assume base Ben would solo all the OG aliens without the use of the watch at all. Which makes no sense whatsoever.
Not in this context where you're literally suggesting that base Ben scales to the aliens when they're clearly much stronger than he is. There isn't enough evidence besides outliers. This completely breaks the scalingYes it is, fictional humans can be super human in power no problem
Again, doesn't make them 7-A, but otherwise would make them 9-B.But aren't anchors from higher tiers either, since they are so casual that are a non factor here
Which they're outliers and overall not very good justifications.which they do, have you saw the profiles?
And no, they clearly don't have enough consistent feats to be 7-A period.Also an argument of incredulity, they have consistent feats for it? Yes, so yeah, uafo ben would solo all og aliens in power since he has feats for it
How can they be when that has consistently show to not be the case? Ben has like, 8 feats of surviving and tanking tier 7 characters attacksNot in this context where you're literally suggesting that base Ben scales to the aliens when they're clearly much stronger than he is.
When they are so consistent they stop being outliersThere isn't enough evidence besides outliers.
how so? Ben downscales from the featThis completely breaks the scaling
good strawman, i never said that that did, only that "anti feats" like hurting by a fall are the inconsistent ones no matter what and shouldn't be used to downgrade anythingAgain, doesn't make them 7-A
all of the said tier 9 feats are stupidely casual, so much so that they don't matter for the scaling, but otherwise would make them 9-B.
how are they outliers when they are extremely consistent?Which they're outliers and overall not very good justifications.
Have you saw the profiles? They have like, 8 feats on that level, i can search for more if you wantAnd no, they clearly don't have enough consistent feats to be 7-A period.
Which would more likely be for durability rather than AP if that were the case.How can they be when that has consistently show to not be the case? Ben has like, 8 feats of surviving and tanking tier 7 characters attacks
Then show me more scenes of how it's consistent, or either way I guess the Omnitrix has no point in being used either way if that were the case.When they are so consistent they stop being outliers
You haven't even proved why exactly Ben would downscale from Diamondhead.how so? Ben downscales from the feat
I strawmanned nothing, you still basically implied that Ben and the rest of the humans could physically scale to 7-A just because of those.good strawman, i never said that that did, only that "anti feats" like hurting by a fall are the inconsistent ones no matter what and shouldn't be used to downgrade anything
See above.all of the said tier 9 feats are stupidely casual, so much so that they don't matter for the scaling
Show more proof thenhow are they outliers when they are extremely consistent?
Nope since ben can damage beings who can harm him, like simianWhich would more likely be for durability rather than AP if that were the case.
You are affirming that it isn't consistent even with the scenes on the profiles, but okay, wait till tommorrow and i will bring it to you, since today i am very busyThen show me more scenes of how it's consistent
you just ignored my earlier post about mobility hax etc, heck what part of ben DOWNSCALING you didn't understood? Most of them are still stronger then him, or either way I guess the Omnitrix has no point in being used either way if that were the case.
Somewhat harming an alien that does?You haven't even proved why exactly Ben would downscale from Diamondhead.
No i didn't, i said that those extremely casual tier 9 feats make your "gwen harmed herself by falling" argument, and any other of such, completely mootI strawmanned nothing, you still basically implied that Ben and the rest of the humans could physically scale to 7-A just because of those.
SameSee above.
Tommorrow since i am busy for today, but also ser the profiles dudeShow more proof then
It isNot gonna lie, this seems like an argument from incredulity
I agree.But in any other case, not everyone literally has to be upgraded or even scale to 7-A. And I also saw in your blog that you were dividing diamondhead's AP to downscale echo echo, you literally can't scale like that without any confirmed multiplier otherwise he'd downscale unquantifiably
everyone that scales to people that scale to diamond head doesBut in any other case, not everyone literally has to be upgraded or even scale to 7-A
one echo echo attack can't even flinch thunderpig, who can harm diamond head , and could only deal any significant damage to him, by combining the attack power of 3 echo clones in one attack, 1 combined attack of 3 echos = 3x one echo alone, i can scale as it is logicalAnd I also saw in your blog that you were dividing diamondhead's AP to downscale echo echo, you literally can't scale like that without any confirmed multiplier otherwise he'd downscale unquantifiably
Clones don't necessarily build up a multiplier. And they didn't even harm him even with that, literally all they did was reflect his attack by forming up a forcefield against himone echo echo attack can't even flinch thunderpig, who can harm diamond head , and could only deal any significant damage to him, by combining the attack power of 3 echo clones in one attack, 1 combined attack of 3 echos = 3x one echo alone, i can scale as it is logical
It is an adition, imagine each clone as a 1 and thunderpig as a 3, 1<<3, when the echo's combine their powers it is like 1+1+1=3Clones don't necessarily build up a multiplier.
They did, wacth the clip again, they attack him and he falls unconcious by the the sonic attackAnd they didn't even harm him even with that, literally all they did was reflect his attack by forming up a forcefield against him
Then you don't divide at all, you just subtract. But even then, I don't think downscaling like that is reliable even there wayIt is an adition, imagine each clone as a 1 and thunderpig as a 3, 1<<3, when the echo's combine their powers it is like 1+1+1=3
My mistake then, but stillThey did, wacth the clip again, they attack him and he falls unconcious by the the sonic attack
Why swampfire weaker than base ben?It is an adition, imagine each clone as a 1 and thunderpig as a 3, 1<<3, when the echo's combine their powers it is like 1+1+1=3
They did, wacth the clip again, they attack him and he falls unconcious by the the sonic attack
This is also why I said this breaks scaling, why would Ben get suddenly just get slightly weaker with these aliens besides his weaker aliens? Honestly, I can't wait for the humans to get downgraded soonWhy swampfire weaker than base ben?
He isn't, ben downscalesWhy swampfire weaker than base ben?
That is what i did tho?Then you don't divide at all, you just subtract.
Why not?But even then, I don't think downscaling like that is reliable even there way
Outside of disbelief, what is the argument against it? Humans being this strong is fairly normal in ben 10, max contending with aliens is so common that it is a meme at this point, the rooter arc exemplify this even furtherThis is also why I said this breaks scaling, why would Ben get suddenly just get slightly weaker with these aliens besides his weaker aliens?
You clearly divided, don't lie to me.That is what i did tho?
See the rules for multipliersWhy not?
That's literally because Max literally has the preparation necessary against these aliens considering that he's a plumber. So do explain how the humans in ben 10 are somehow comparable to them.Outside of disbelief, what is the argument against it? Humans being this strong is fairly normal in ben 10, max contending with aliens is so common that it is a meme at this point, the rooter arc exemplify this even further
Bro ,you've made ben 10 the most wanked verse on the wikiWell how many Tier 7 feat ben even have?
Not me I just made a cosmologyBro ,you've made ben 10 the most wanked verse on the wiki
Look, can you see a single wank? A single headcanon in the entire cosmology page? All theBro ,you've made ben 10 the most wanked verse on the wiki