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I'm pretty sure it's accepted. Most ben 10 characters on the wiki are MFTL+
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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread
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I know, but none of them have that on their profiles.
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I'm in Facebook groups, and they put Four arms and relative in Multi Wall and subsonic.
And Way Big in City Block.
Alien X galaxy lvl
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I still hate the Ultimate Humungousaur downscaling but eh whatever can I do.
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Same.
If they had some fests on that level at least, but, nothing.
Or at least idk any.
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Because they had some fests on that level, like Galvan B's feat, Armodrillo's race fest, Goop's feat, The Great oke's feat & the Sub-Energy'z feat.
ON the other side, they don't have ANY Large Planet level fest, only PS.
I agree that he scales, because Kevin didn't stomp him, and Ben was able to even stop his punches.
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Btw, does anyone know how can I public some battles? I'm on cell phone for the record
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My problem isn’t really the tier itself but just how it’s achieved. High 6-A/5-C at least had their own feats for that, whereas 5-A is downscaling based entirely off of a DVD statement and a guidebook statement. It’s not even implied in the show proper outside of “Whampire downscales from Alpha Rune” arguments. Not to mention the two statements even list different values that only technically don’t contradict each other if you interpret them a specific awkward way.
Sorry about the mini rant, but I needed to get that out of my system.
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I can't take "Quarter Pounder", "The One", or "Scumbug" seriously. Sorry
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Okey, I found something interesting in the Malgsx vs Ben fight
Ben says that he's not sure if he can defeat Vilgax this time, wouldn't that make Malgax above things like Dagon and 4th Form Malware? Two guys who Ben defeated by himself.
Well, malware kinda, he needed the Helix energy to do it.
What do you think, guys? Malgsx > Dagon and 4th Form Malsare?. Vilgax also says that now he's unstoppable.
Ben says that he's not sure if he can defeat Vilgax this time, wouldn't that make Malgax above things like Dagon and 4th Form Malware? Two guys who Ben defeated by himself.
Well, malware kinda, he needed the Helix energy to do it.
What do you think, guys? Malgsx > Dagon and 4th Form Malsare?. Vilgax also says that now he's unstoppable.
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That would make Atomix scale above Dagonax and 4Th Form malware, of course
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Scaling above fourth form Malware makes sense, but no on Dagon.
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Doubt it. Dagon defeated Ultimate Way Big and Ben needed Ascalon to defeat a fusion of both Dagon and Vilgax. There's also the fact that Malgax can't bend reality or use Mind Manipulation
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Well, yeah.
And Ben needed the energy of the Helix to defeat a weaker version of Malware than the one who battled against Way Big, and that was the Malware that albedo used to create Vilgax s armor
Wouldn't that make 3th Form Malware > Malgax? Or is there something that I'm not gettikg
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I think they have the same issue: Ben needed an extra to defeat them both, Ascalon for Dagonax and the Hellx for Malware.
And is even worse when you remember that that Malware was weaker than the Malware that was vaporized by a Cosmic Ray of Way Big.
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I think the Helix was to finally overcome Malware's regen so he could never come back again.
Like even Ben says it "There has to be a way to take out this chump once and for all" Because Malware just kept surviving shit, it doesn't have to do with power in the sense he was too strong.
Like even Ben says it "There has to be a way to take out this chump once and for all" Because Malware just kept surviving shit, it doesn't have to do with power in the sense he was too strong.
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That actually makes some sense
But, even then, The Malsare that Albedo used to create the armor was weaker than the one who fought against Way Big, so, idk how would the scaling go.
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Quarter Pounder goes hard, wdym? The only one I can’t really get behind is Jesus Chryst.
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He’s already relative to Malware 4 for similar reasons (using those statements and others to scale Malgax above Ben’s best aliens, which then scales to Malware 4 since it doesn’t make sense for Malgax to be massively superior), but yeah like others have said these are both enemies where he also needed help to win (Ascalon for the former and the revived Mechamorphs for the latter).
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I wonder what I should work on right now? I’ve got both the ballsy uni/multi high tier scaling and Eon overhaul on hold right now since I want to wait and see if Green’s eventual cosmology revision massively affects anything. Though it’ll probably be a long while till then lol
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Yeah even the guy who handles the event thought it was too on the nose.
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Ahh, all right.
And better yet, he knows exactly the power of Eatle, fantastic
Ok, that makes sense.
So, the scaling chain would be similar to this? Correct me if I'm wrong:
- Dagon / Dagonax > Fourth Form Malware > Ultimate Way Big / Malgax / Atomix > Herald Dagon > Eatle / Ascalon > Every Galvan weapon >/= Highbreed weapons > Any other weapon of the universe > Way Big > Third Form Malware.
Idk if I'm missing something.[/ISPOILER]
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Pretty much yeah, only Atomix, Malgax and Malware 4 aren’t properly comparable to Ultimate Way Big and Dagon since both groups are just vaguely scaling above Eatle. That’s mainly just semantics though.
Eatle =< Atomix < Malgax ≈ Malware 4
Eatle < Ultimate Way Big < Dagon
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So, Ultimate Way Big and Atomix are equal, and I love that.
I'm curious if Atomix would have done it better than UWB.
I think he would, because Atomix has heat manipulation and durability negation.
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If this works for something:
- Oficial media says that Lucibra Vilgax is his most powerful form yet:
- Even when he used Ascalon eight episodes before he appeared as Dagon's minion:
- This is supported by the show, as he says that now that he speaks for his master, He's more powerful than ever:
So, yeah, that makes it definitely: Herald of Vilgax is more powerful than George / Ascalon, which makes the scaling of Eatle (and for consequent, the rest of Ben's aliens) more solid.
- Oficial media says that Lucibra Vilgax is his most powerful form yet:
- Even when he used Ascalon eight episodes before he appeared as Dagon's minion:
- This is supported by the show, as he says that now that he speaks for his master, He's more powerful than ever:
So, yeah, that makes it definitely: Herald of Vilgax is more powerful than George / Ascalon, which makes the scaling of Eatle (and for consequent, the rest of Ben's aliens) more solid.
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This link seems to be broken for me. I think I know what scene you’re talking about, but I don’t remember the exact moment it’s in and I’d still like to see it just to make sure.
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Do y’all think there’s any good way to scale Dagon to Eon? Eon’s blatant timeline level statement would be pretty nice for Dagon to have. Only thing I can think of right now is the UA finale episodes being called “The Ultimate Enemy”, which obviously doesn’t work on its own.
Actually maybe you could something with Legerdomain’s power upscaling from Eon, since while his number of servants is technically unquantifiable I don’t think it’s physically possible for him to have gained even a single dimension’s worth of life energy.
Actually maybe you could something with Legerdomain’s power upscaling from Eon, since while his number of servants is technically unquantifiable I don’t think it’s physically possible for him to have gained even a single dimension’s worth of life energy.
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Ghengiroo115
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The other two work fine, but yeah there seems to be issues with the imgur link.
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What about now?
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Yup it works now. This is some very good info to have.
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Did any of y’all see “Xenoversal+” Alien X???
