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Your mom, however.
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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread
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Literally scale everyone to the Galvanic Mechamorphs tbh
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2-A Humungousaur?
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Spidermonkey
Spidermonkey is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of an Arachnichimp from the planet Aranhaschimmia. Tier: 5-B | 5-B Key: Spidermonkey | Ultimate Spidermonkey Name: Spidermonkey Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Alien, Arachnichimp Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...vsbattles.fandom.com
Class P? it's based form or Ultimate form ?
CLASS P SPIDERMONKEY !!!!!
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nuh uh, 1-B Kai Green. S*X with Ben's AX
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In Ben 10 Shippuden it's stated that Ben 10 is one of the novels written by Verdona. Which is her least favorite thing. I think Verdona Probably at least 1-A
Ghengiroo115
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I guess a variable tier can solve it, although I still feel like a separate key would be more appropriate given how the form is consistent within the two eras but just not together. It’s always OP in UAF and always meh in OV, plus iirc OV can’t even naturally fly without the Charm of Telekinesis.
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This but unironically because Kai fought Maltruant who handled his amped Annihilaargh better than Alien X did
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This but unironically because Kai fought Maltruant who handled his amped Annihilaargh better than Alien X did
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Weren’t you gonna try and make Dagon 1-B or am I misremembering? If so then that’s another unironic way she’d be 1-B lolThis but unironically because Kai fought Maltruant who handled his amped Annihilaargh better than Alien X did
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Outlier. But I can see High 5-A or 4-C there for reasons.
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I hope a Dagon arc Tier 2 or Tier 1 upgrade goes through one day so I can make one of these but with Eatle:
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Dagon’s statement definitely was only about earth though, unless that’s not what you’re referring to
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Disagree with it always being meh in OV. Also Gwen can literally fly in base so it’s stupid regardless.
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Well, you’re wrong. Dagon always uses world to mean universe.
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Uh yeah probs, but Eatle ain’t scaling to that.
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The alien fight that everyone is eagerly awaiting
Saibaimen vs DNAlien Speed equal, both 5-A Saibaimen: DNAlien: Incon:
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So we’re gonna just ignore how Verdona still thinks Gwen needs 75 years of training, that a writer confirmed Dagon was wrong, and that Gwen’s been stomped in universe by other anodites, magic users, and aliens because Dagon clearly is omniscience and knows all of these things?
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If helmet is specially designed to resist mind manp stuff then he'll still get it. But I think he just trying to excuse his lack of intelligence being the reason he was unaffected by mind control. It might just be built in mind control resistance just in case, it isn't out of the ordinary and...
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Kind of not relevant as he doesn't know about Alien X, else he would know Ben is the strongest
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Uh yes actually, how did you know?
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Yeah or some note Ig
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My point was that Verdona doesn’t scale to Gwen. Though it is a bit weird since peak George = Ult. Way Big who’s “impossible” according to Dagon. Unless we do just assume Ben is better at using Ascalon than George.
Also actually Dagon does know about Alien X… this shit is weird.
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he didn't knew about UWB, so that is fine, he just upscales from George
he does?
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Nah like the problem is that George can easily hurt Dagon from up close supposedly. Which implies he’s stronger than Anodite Gwen since Ult. Way Big should be > her.
Yeah, I know the other guy was being sarcastic but Dagon is actually nigh-omniscient.
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Another issue I see is Bezel.
At this point might as well argue Gwen >>> Ult. Way Big
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Better. Alien X finally got Immeasurable speed too, and a flat 1-B rating. Although I heard you were planning on revising the cosmology so that might not last long
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The OF would keep its tier and while I disagree with Alien X scaling to it, at least it’s arguable.
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Also I now have a better argument for the universe being possibly 26D. Something I disagreed with previously (because there’s more than 1 universe)
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I was rewatching Evil's Encore and hilariously enough I already found a line that disproves that the Post-Showdown flashbacks are before Ben loses Feedback. Max states "It's been a long time since you fought Malware" when going back to Mount Rushmore, considering that this is way after Malware got his third forma and Ben doesn't even try to use Feedback even though it would be immensely useful here proves that he doesn't have him anymore.
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15 and 16 year old ben can also change while transformed
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Genuine questions as I don’t remember, when is it not meh in OV (Meh is a bad word for it tbh, but I mean in the sense of “I can take on a non-regular tier character”) and when does Gwen fly in base?
But funny strong beetle…
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Or we just use my old argument of Ascalon being really good against energy attacks/beings, after all iirc the only Dagon-based thing that could ever really hurt a user of it was that lightning bolt that harmed George directly.
Btw there’s a statement from DJW that says Gwendolyn 10K “should be” strong enough to fight Verdona (suggesting present Gwen isn’t), although idk if you wanna use that. Also also, should Sunny’s Anodite form be as strong as Gwen’s or nah? Because if so then that’s another reason Verdona could be > Gwen.
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Thinking about it all my Eon-related headaches could be solved by simply just accepting RAT as fully retconned lol. Eon can’t get stronger from getting younger and can’t have his young form naturally scale to Ultimate Ben if RAT isn’t a thing. Although I do still believe it should be considered canon to the multiverse, so I guess it depends on whether I want to cheat and propose something I don’t believe in or not.
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Yeah but I think not many people know about what I talked about.
Though it's implied that 11 Year old can also change while transformed, at least if Gwen comment about changing into Diamondhead during his battle with Malware counts for anything...
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Funny thing about that is that I think it's implied he can just do it thanks to UA Ben.
With Azmuth and Ben 10K you can argue they intrinsically know how the device works or in the case of the latter they share the same device.
But UA Ben doesn't have as much mastery over it, they don't share the same device anymore and the only thing he told him about that is "You should always keep it locked" which implies it's not locked and therefore can do it.
So I think it's funny that Young Ben probably can quick change but he assumes there's a secret trick he must learn and nobody tells him he can just do it.
With Azmuth and Ben 10K you can argue they intrinsically know how the device works or in the case of the latter they share the same device.
But UA Ben doesn't have as much mastery over it, they don't share the same device anymore and the only thing he told him about that is "You should always keep it locked" which implies it's not locked and therefore can do it.
So I think it's funny that Young Ben probably can quick change but he assumes there's a secret trick he must learn and nobody tells him he can just do it.
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