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I'm pretty sure Ben 10K made 10 year old Ben change while transformed but that was a one time thing15 and 16 year old ben can also change while transformed
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I'm pretty sure Ben 10K made 10 year old Ben change while transformed but that was a one time thing15 and 16 year old ben can also change while transformed
Are these feats acceptable ?
All of them, or any feat that can be used for an upgrade. Like Four Arms punching Gwen's energy attack(13:19)Which feats exactly?
If I remember correctly he stomped Diamondhead and then fought Atomix, who's 4-B/4-AHi, everybody.
I've a question regarding the PS: Why does Malgax scale to 4th Form Malware? If in the end the Mechamorphs returned him to his base form from of when he destroyed Galvan B
It’s actually supposed to mainly be Malware that scales to Malgax, but the justifications on the profiles don’t really express that for some reason (should probably be fixed).Hi, everybody.
I've a question regarding the PS: Why does Malgax scale to 4th Form Malware? If in the end the Mechamorphs returned him to his base form from of when he destroyed Galvan B
He could probably scale to Ultimate Swampfire who's just further into 5-A than Ben's normal aliens. Something like "5-A, higher in his true form"Y’know I was about to ask something like “could true form Vilgax scale above Ultimate Humungousaur or Way Big based on how confident he was?”, but then I remembered even if they were way stronger they would be pretty helpless underwater. Oh well.
Yeah probably that would work best. The reason that thought about Way Big came into my head was because of that one instance in Primus where Vilgax randomly turned giant from the Codon Stream and fought with Way Big, and I though “huh, it’s kinda weird that based on scaling this one completely random power-up halfway through the season is way stronger than Vilgax’s natural final form”. Then again true form Vilgax is also a completely random power-up lol so who cares.He could probably scale to Ultimate Swampfire who's just further into 5-A than Ben's normal aliens. Something like "5-A, higher in his true form"
No worries, you can do it by highlighting the thing you want to reply to and then clicking the reply option that pops under it. Btw when regular users tag someone it doesn’t notify them (only if staff do it).@Ghengiroo115
Sorry for tagging you, but I don't know how to answer to specific messages.
Malgax is accepted to scale above Way Big as well as every other alien (except Alien X) based on his statements of being too strong for Ben to defeat and Atomix’s statement about being the second strongest alien, so Malgax would be between Malware 4 and Way Big here.That wouldn't make Base Way Big at the same level as Ultimate Way Big? I mean, circular PS: "Malware 4th Form > Way Big > Malware 3th form > Malgax >/= Atomix >> Eatle </= Herald Vilgax > Ascalon > Base Way Big"
Interesting…I mean, I have an argument of OV Aliens being the strongest versions of Ben's aliens (even UA Ultimates), but that's another thing.
No worries, you can do it by highlighting the thing you want to reply to and then clicking the reply option that pops under it. Btw when regular users tag someone it doesn’t notify them (only if staff do it).
Ohh, I see. Thanks!
Uhm, all right.Malgax is accepted to scale above Way Big as well as every other alien (except Alien X) based on his statements of being too strong for Ben to defeat and Atomix’s statement about being the second strongest alien, so Malgax would be between Malware 4 and Way Big here
Yep, it's based on the concept of "Ben's aliens are the Apex of the species", And that s only for OV aliensInteresting…
Not at all.Isn't every Omnitrix transformation just x alien but in its physical prime?
They were only adults, but, also, another subspecies, because only the Null Void's Vulpimanvers looked like that.I'm pretty sure that's why Wildmutt looked a lot better/healthier than the other Vulpimancers in OS
All that cases are from OV, so, yeahWhy Kickin Hawk looked so much stronger than Liam, and why Four Arms was able to fight evenly with Looma despite female Tetramands being stronger. I don't know if the "prime" thing is exclusive to OV
4. Ben's transformations reached their maximum possible point in OV, contrasting with previous series, where it was seen that adult versions of his transformations were in an inferior state.
A) Swampfire reaches its maximum form [3:30] -
B) A form that even adult versions of the same species failed to achieve - ht
tps://youtu.be/ZzO7liWX73c?feature=shared
True, but even then, the aliens had a little design differences (like Feedback's "plugs" on his shoulders, Clockwork face expression or the overall size), but here they looked exactly the same, nothing changed.The aliens weren't aged down visibly because a lot of Ben's aliens look the same regardless if they're 11 or 16 years old, Ben was aged down to 11.
Maybe, but Swampfire is very different from every other major redesign in that he has a whole episode dedicated to it. Other characters like Shocksquatch and Eatle had major biological changes between UA and OV with no explanation, while Chromastone had a (functionally identical) redesign through OV itself with also no explanation. Since they took the effort to explain Swampfrie’s new appearance at all I’d prefer to find an explanation that doesn’t break everything, like what I’ve tried to do with the mess that is Eon.It's very likely it was a retcon and just an excuse to swap out his design.
Well, not directly confirmed, but he definitely looked older than Ben, the same with the big.Wait is it confirmed that Swamps is an adult Methanosian? If so then that’s really interesting that not all Methanosians blossom, and also makes blossomed Swampfire’s semi-vague Alpha Rune/Whampire scaling a bit more logical since it wouldn’t be a state every Methanosian has access to.
Ah, I see where you’re coming from.Well, not directly confirmed, but he definitely looked older than Ben, the same with the big.
Also, it wouldn't make sense to hire kids or teenagers, if Albedo wanted to use them all the time he needed, because, well, teen aliens are normally seen doing "normal Earth" thing, especially ones who share some intellect beyond basic instincts
I need more time to think about it, but you make some interesting points.But anyways. What do you think about the other points I've made?
Well, it would be like Dragon Ball, some randoms are stronger than the final boss of the previous arc lolAh, I see where you’re coming from.
I need more time to think about it, but you make some interesting points.
I will say though that I don’t think this would include the Ultimates by default, as they’re technically different species. It would also make the scaling really goofy as you’d have Trombipulor and the Way Bads be Dagon level, although Ben 10 power creep is already goofy as is so eh.
The thing is that it was never confirmed that they're Peak, not until OV.Diamondhead losing to Tetrax is most likely because a prime 10 year old Petrosapien wouldn't be as strong as one as old as Tetrax. Tetrax is also a lot more experienced and trained under Vilgax. He even states that at that point in the series Ben never even scratched the surface of the Omnitrix's potential
It's not like there are that many anti feats in OS. A prime 10 year old losing to an adult from the same species that is older and has gone through much more combat training makes sense. Like if Gwen was for some reason stated to be an Anodite in OV, that doesn't mean that from OS to UAF she just wasn't an AnoditeThe thing is that it was never confirmed that they're Peak, not until OV.
Yeah it could go either way tbh, like I said Ben 10 power creep is already so goofy that base teen Ben unironically outscales the entirety of OS barring Way Big and the future characters.Well, it would be like Dragon Ball, some randoms are stronger than the final boss of the previous arc lol
And that's only for Amped Trombipulor and Genetically modified To'kustar, so not so random I guess.
It's different, tho.It's not like there are that many anti feats in OS. A prime 10 year old losing to an adult from the same species that is older and has gone through much more combat training makes sense. Like if Gwen was for some reason stated to be an Anodite in OV, that doesn't mean that from OS to UAF she just wasn't an Anodite
Well, not at allYeah it could go either way tbh, like I said Ben 10 power creep is already so goofy that base teen Ben unironically outscales the entirety of OS barring Way Big and the future characters.
Though regardless of the logistics of OV Way Big = Dagon I still don’t think the Aliens should by default be over the Ultimates. It also begs the question of whether every other character would be Tier 4 or not, since rn they’re downscaling from Ultimate Humungousaur who downscales from Ultimate Kevin who downscales from Way Big.
They really shouldn't be, the Ultimates basically went through a 10.000 year worst case simulation, they're Hyper Evolved, by default they should be way above the prime of their species.Yeah it could go either way tbh, like I said Ben 10 power creep is already so goofy that base teen Ben unironically outscales the entirety of OS barring Way Big and the future characters.
Though regardless of the logistics of OV Way Big = Dagon I still don’t think the Aliens should by default be over the Ultimates. It also begs the question of whether every other character would be Tier 4 or not, since rn they’re downscaling from Ultimate Humungousaur who downscales from Ultimate Kevin who downscales from Way Big.
Albedo said that the process of going ultimate it's just the way to put the form to its "Peak", or, the ultimate form, literally.They really shouldn't be, the Ultimates basically went through a 10.000 year worst case simulation, they're Hyper Evolved, by default they should be way above the prime of their species.
It’s mainly just the weirdness of Way Big becoming trillions of times stronger while the other aliens don’t really noticeably budge, but eh I disagree with OV Way Big > Ultimate Way Big anyway so I guess it doesn’t really matter to me.Well, not at all
Because they would only downscale from UAF Way Big, not from OV Way Big, the one who would be Tier 4.
Basically:
OV / UF Way Big > UAF Way Big.
Kevin 1/10th UAF Way Big.
And so on.
Not necessarily, since by their argument the UA Ultimates aren’t a peak Ultimate if that makes sense. While again I really don’t think it’s something we should assume by default, an alien like Big Chill could theoretically be stronger in OV than in his UA Ultimate form since the latter’s power increase is pretty small.They really shouldn't be, the Ultimates basically went through a 10.000 year worst case simulation, they're Hyper Evolved, by default they should be way above the prime of their species.
Well, the best feats of the aliens (non-scaling ones) are in OV, like the Mechamorphs fixing the moon.It’s mainly just the weirdness of Way Big becoming trillions of times stronger while the other aliens don’t really noticeably budge
Fair, I guess. But it's a little weird for me to have Atomix, who struggle to defeat a weaker version of the one that Way Big literally liquified just by walking on him.But eh I disagree with OV Way Big > Ultimate Way Big anyway so I guess it doesn’t really matter to me.
Fair.Not necessarily, since by their argument the UA Ultimates aren’t a peak Ultimate if that makes sense. While again I really don’t think it’s something we should assume by default, an alien like Big Chill could theoretically be stronger in OV than in his UA Ultimate form since the latter’s power increase is pretty small.