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No it wasn't explicitly stated but just screen shown is the only evidence.
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Ben 10 - Alien X infinite speed upgrade With telekinesis
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oh wait, the universe was destroyed meaning that there isn't a space time for the galaxies to be moved to, just an empty void so its probably just an infinite speed feat
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The spacetime was first thing which got created via a wave kind thing after that galaxies or matter was moved all around as they cannot move or placed in a void.
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Then it's not moving to another separate spacetime, but rather only traversing the infinite-sized void.
Infinite attack speed it shall be.
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Uh ok, sad and infinite speed via telekinesis?
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yes, and attack speed only.
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This shouldn’t scale to his attack speed at all. We never scale someone’s attack speed to an area of effect creation/destruction feat. Especially in this scenario where there's no proof that Alien X used telekinesis on those galaxies.
I have no idea why this was accepted in the first place. Then again that happens a lot in this verse.
I have no idea why this was accepted in the first place. Then again that happens a lot in this verse.
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it's not actually 1 decision but 3 consicutive decisions of him involving creation of the universe in which 3rd one involves moving matter all around the universe
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Let's be real. XLR8 should've performed an immeasurable speed feat a long time ago. He deserves it.So I'll get the immeasurable speed hope out of my mind
Proof? Serena and Bellicus need to agree before making a decision. We were never shown them agreeing to anything else other than "recreate the universe" which they did.it's not actually 1 decision but 3 consicutive decisions of him involving creation of the universe in which 3rd one involves moving matter all around the universe
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We do if there is a distance component involved like moving shit across or it involves lighting up an area or it's an explosion-related feat.
Only feats that wouldn't work would be hax that is activated instantly and the effect takes place without any hints of covering distance.
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Why it's need to be shown? It's just decided that they will fix the universe which involves:-
Creation of spacetime continuum's.
Matters coming out of alien x body
Them going to their right places.
If it's all just one decision then it would have been like universe poping out of nowhere but act of results involves three steps that discredit the notion of taking one thought as by default case unless proven otherwise.
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Make a crt over it now
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You're pretty much asking me why you need proof to support your claim. Unbelievable.
Same can be said about creating a big bang. We wouldn’t scale a character's speed despite big bangs crossing 46.5 billion light years under a certain amount of time. The speed justification has no basis whatsoever.
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I am not, infact, why it's has to be involved only one thought, they just told ben that they will help him this time doesn't mean that they will do it in one thought? I gave my notion over why it should be 3 decisions that involves 3 steps, saying that we must see Serena bellicus deciding over each step only then it'll be clear when what shown is quite clear.
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Cool, we scale Big Bangs to characters if they actually use it as an attack, in which case it's attack speed only. Or if they outrun it, then it's movement speed. Just ask the Flash.
How do you think current DBS scales to their MFTL+ feats involving the exploding Energy Ball?
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Based on precedent, we don't typically scale a characters' travel speed via telekinesis even if they have moved larger masses at that speed. We would need an example that self telekinetic movement is a thing that this character does rather than the possibility due to an application of an ability.
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Bigbang does have universal range? It doesn't need any character to move it to the edge of the universe but here it's needed to move the galaxies to the right places as they were before the creation. It's not same as bigbang not as much I see.
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So it's how it's taken on vs battle? Like he should be able to move himself with a same speed he move other masses.
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What about attack speed only?
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As determined by a prior thread for this feat, attack speed is fine.
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Sorry. I have to update the profile with the separated blog calc.
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Apparently I am now also told that AX just thought and then the universe began forming itself without any further input from AX himself.
Which would make scaling to this feat... pretty much impossible, if true, since AX would not have to do anything after this point.
Which would make scaling to this feat... pretty much impossible, if true, since AX would not have to do anything after this point.
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On the contrary, we're never shown anything moving an infinite distance. Only a few galaxies move a few thousand light years. Everything else, like the earth and stars, just spawn in place without being moved in the slightest.
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From my previous discussion, it is indeterminate on what specific ability is used. Whether it be telekinesis or reality warping, we see the galaxies move from point A to point B very quickly.
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Thanks for admitting you gave Alien X a speed rating despite the very little evidence provided.
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In what way did I do that?
It doesn't even say telekinesis on the profile rating, just that he moved said galaxies.
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Fra, I agree, they never shown infinite on screen infact not even shown to each galaxy in a infinite universe moving
, I mean not even trillions of galaxies are shown to formed.
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"it is indeterminate on what specific ability is used"
Since you don't know how they were moved you just assumed it was attack speed.
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I don't follow. Unrelated to a specific ability, if you move an object at high speeds and hypothetically into a target, isn't that attack speed?
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Nevermind. The point is, it has no proof of Alien X actually moving them by themselves. Alien X was stationary the entire time, so why assume attack speed when all he did was think the universe in existence?
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"Thoughts become reality" is what firestorm assuming for it to travel all that distance On contrary I am suggesting only thing he has ever shown specific to movement of things around alien x involves telekinesis.
In both cases it would be attack speed regardless with the speed it was moving
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Because it involved three steps of act in result, what's there to assume he one thoughted universe in existence within 3 steps?
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We clearly see the objects move from point A to B.
If a character can move a rock at high speeds from A to B without specifying Earth Manipulation, Reality Warping, or Telekinesis, it still counts as an attack speed.
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No shit. I'm asking for proof that he was moving them with an ability instead of the galaxies moving as a result of them bing willed into existence. Alien X would have to make separate actions to move those galaxies for it to scale to his attack speed.
For heaven’s sake, he's just standing there, performing zero actions. All he did was think the universe in existence and everything started to move and spawn in by itself.
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I'd say one thing for sure.
It's infinite attack speed going with all ways and logical notion.
Anything otherwise is a "forced argument" or "forced notion" to how someone should act.
The sensible way to interpret the scene.
Telekinesis moving galaxies across the universe> him thinking all universes go to their right places >>> any other argument tried to form against it
We don't go over thinking complex interpretation of a scene but a simple implication or resolution.
It's infinite attack speed going with all ways and logical notion.
Anything otherwise is a "forced argument" or "forced notion" to how someone should act.
The sensible way to interpret the scene.
Telekinesis moving galaxies across the universe> him thinking all universes go to their right places >>> any other argument tried to form against it
We don't go over thinking complex interpretation of a scene but a simple implication or resolution.
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