Beerus vs Photoshop Flowey | 4-12-3 (its grace)

[Brogeefrong]

quesolo medelo had a son name peanutbutterma and now they are training to fight umulus
Beerus is 2-C
Photoshop Flowey is used and is Low 2-C
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place on Beerus' planet
Profiles

Beerus

Before any creation must come destruction!Beerus Beerus (ビルス, Birusu?) is Universe 7's God of Destruction. It is his duty to destroy planets, races, and individuals that are deemed to be a threat to the proper development of the universe. However, Beerus has become bored with his role, being...

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Asriel Dreemurr (Flowey)

Flowey the Flower is one of the main antagonists in Undertale. He first appears in the Ruin, attempting to kill Frisk for their soul before being chased by Toriel. Following this event, the flower will stalk Frisk through the Underground, something appearing to mock them before culminating in...

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[Eden_Warlock99]

Flowey can't really do anything to Beerus and a Hakai is killing him.
Unless of course we interpret Flowey's EE as being Info 2 EE, which will make it a stomp, just the other way around.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Unless of course we interpret Flowey's EE as being Info 2 EE, which will make it a stomp, just the other way around.

Does Flowey even start with EE? I checked the other threads and he doesn't seem to start with it

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Does Flowey even start with EE? I checked the other threads and he doesn't seem to start with it

I don't believe Beerus tends to start with Hakai either, and that's the only move Beerus has that can actually take out Flowey.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I think this is Incon. Beerus never leads with EE in his fights unless he's bloodlusted or he perceives the opponent as a threat to the universe.

Aka it depends on who pulls his EE 1st.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I think this is Incon. Beerus never leads with EE in his fights unless he's bloodlusted or he perceives the opponent as a threat to the universe.

Flowey is threat to universe though… Beerus can’t know it ig?

Aka it depends on who pulls his EE 1st.

Wasn’t it decided in the matchup against Galeem that Flowey would lead with it unless he wants to toy with opponent like Frisk

 

[DaMonkeMan]

are you serious man

 

[StrymULTRA]

Flowey is threat to universe though… Beerus can’t know it ig?

Pretty much. He'd need prior info on him, as by SBA it's a random encounter with no knownledge on each other.

Wasn’t it decided in the matchup against Galeem that Flowey would lead with it unless he wants to toy with opponent like Frisk

Galeem is a weird eldritch god who literally cannot display any kind of emotion. Beerus on the other hand...

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I think this is Incon. Beerus never leads with EE in his fights unless he's bloodlusted or he perceives the opponent as a threat to the universe.

Beerus can sense that Flowey's nowhere near his power, so he'll probably just flick Flowey away and get erased tbh

 

[StrymULTRA]

Beerus can sense that Flowey's nowhere near his power, so he'll will probably just flick Flowey away and get erased tbh

Right-o.

 

[koopa3144]

Ngl I feel like this is a stomp either way depending on if Flowey's EE works or not. It doesn't have Info 2 in this key on profile so Beerus should be able to resist it. If his EE doesn't work I don't see many wincons for Flowey here. He can't really hurt Beerus due to the AP difference and Beerus is skilled enough to avoid his Danmaku regardless. Beerus can prob sense something is up if Flowey LOAD's due to him being able to sense things across timelines which is gonna lead him to erase Flowey and win instantly. But if Flowey's EE does have Info 2 and Beerus doesn't resist it he's just gonna be erased before he can do anything.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It doesn't have Info 2 in this key on profile in this key

• Data Manipulation, Text Manipulation and limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Was able to manipulate the game's files, thus changing the intro of the game, overwriting the title to "FLOWEYTALE" and replacing Frisk's datas on the SAVE File with his own)

 

[koopa3144]

• Data Manipulation, Text Manipulation and limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Was able to manipulate the game's files, thus changing the intro of the game, overwriting the title to "FLOWEYTALE" and replacing Frisk's datas on the SAVE File with his own)

I was referring to the type 2 Info on his EE.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I was referring to the type 2 Info on his EE.

It does not have to be explicitly wrote, I thought it was implied in its justification when I made it lol.

I can merge the two if it's cause of confusion, but the intention was that, given that him manipulating Save Files is part of why he has Info 2.

 

[koopa3144]

It does not have to be explicitly wrote, I thought it was implied in its justification when I made it lol.

I can merge the two if it's cause of confusion, but the intention was that, given that him manipulating Save Files is part of why he has Info 2.

Yeah, it's prob a good idea to combine them cause I thought info type 2 on EE was a True reset exclusive thing looking at the profile but that might just be me being dumb.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Claims of thought based EE without it being indexed on the page or having any of the examples listed pointing to that conclusion.

Like last time
Interesting

Regardless his info manip doesn’t nuke Beerus EE does and he has passive history Aura


Existence Erasure (History & Space-Time; With the Power of Destruction, a God of Destruction can erase everything from existence, from living beings, souls, spirits to physicalobjects, energy[23] attacks. Can erase[12] beings like Dr. Mashirito, and likely even Arale Norimaki, both of whom resisted narrative existence erasure,[24][25] Power of Destruction also capable of destroying universes[26] along with their individual history,[27] including multiple space-time continuums)

• Limited Causality Manipulation (Capable of erasing Zamasu across space-time, without splitting the timeline.[4] Effectively destroyed Zamasu across all points in time despite Dragon Ball's cosmology solving time paradoxes by branching timeline into a new one to accommodate any changes in the past while still keeping the future unchanged[5])
• Space-Time Erasure (Power of Destruction can erase universal space-times)
• Soul Destruction (Can erase souls, spirits and ghosts)
• Aura (Overwhelming; Via Energy of Destruction, Gods of Destruction can engulftheir body with Hakai e

 

[StrymULTRA]

Claims of thought based EE without it being indexed on the page or having any of the examples listed pointing to that conclusion.

Because he doesn't show to do any movement to do it?

Regardless his info manip doesn’t nuke Beerus EE does and he has passive history Aura

None of this says that Beerus would no-sell Info 2 EE.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

he has passive history Aura

Beerus very much doesn't always have his Hakai aura active. He especially won't activate it against someone that's even weaker than BoG SSJ3 Goku.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Because he doesn't show to do any movement to do it?

What?

None of this says that Beerus would no-sell Info 2 EE.

I never said that he doesn’t have that on his page. And even then he wouldn’t get the chance to use it because Beerus EE is passive.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What?

You accuse us to make Flowey's EE as Thought based without a basis, and I just explained it to u.

I never said that he doesn’t have that on his page. And even then he wouldn’t get the chance to use it because Beerus EE is passive.

He surely did passively erase Goku, the Earth, Zamasu, and so on...

 

[ChoursDropoff]

You accuse us to make Flowey's EE as Thought based without a basis, and I just explained it to u.

I can’t understand what you wrote from what I’ve seen on the comment your claim he’s never shown it. Probably why it’s not on his page if that’s the case then he doesn’t have it at all.

He surely did passively erase Goku, the Earth, Zamasu, and so on...

Standard battle assumptions he’s taking the fight seriously from the beginning he just needs to yell and the fight is over.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Standard battle assumptions he’s taking the fight seriously from the beginning he just needs to yell and the fight is over.

Nah, they're in-character, Beerus literally hasn't even gone full power in the series yet lol

 

[StrymULTRA]

I can’t understand what you wrote from what I’ve seen on the comment your claim he’s never shown it. Probably why it’s not on his page if that’s the case then he doesn’t have it at all

You literally can just click on the evidence in his profile. He doesn't make any bodily gesture, the quickest assumption is thought here, as pretty much EVERYTHING he does also is thought based in the battle as well.

If you do these points out of spite that's sad though.

Standard battle assumptions he’s taking the fight seriously from the beginning he just needs to yell and the fight is over.

That's called being bloodlusted, and it's not the case here.

Beerus IC doesn't start with this passive Hakai, he never did.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

You literally can just click on the evidence in his profile. He doesn't make any bodily gesture, the quickest assumption is thought here, as pretty much EVERYTHING he does also is thought based in the battle as well.

One we can’t just add haxes to a page that doesn’t have it and two looking at the example given we literally see Flowwy hit the screen 3 or 4 times before the erasure happens so either it has travel time or hits active EE.

If you do these points out of spite that's sad though.

How’s it sad not letting characters get abilities that aren’t on the page? That’s like me giving Beerus though based concept erasure just because.

That's called being bloodlusted, and it's not the case here.

Beerus IC doesn't start with this passive Hakai, he never did.

It wouldn’t really matter going to his page he doesn’t have any type of immortality listed so even Beerus basic ki aura can automatically end the fight.

 

[StrymULTRA]

One we can’t just add haxes to a page that doesn’t have it and two looking at the example given we literally see Flowwy hit the screen 3 or 4 times before the erasure happens so either it has travel time or hits active EE.

Lil bro the EE shit is also him reducing the Underground in a void lmfao.

How’s it sad not letting characters get abilities that aren’t on the page? That’s like me giving Beerus though based concept erasure just because.

Since when it's mandatory to write of something is thought based? You can just link the evidence.

It wouldn’t really matter going to his page he doesn’t have any type of immortality listed so even Beerus basic ki aura can automatically end the fight.

He literally has SAVE and LOAD which allows him to automatically restart the fight if he dies. It's literally on his Flowey tabber lol.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It wouldn’t really matter going to his page he doesn’t have any type of immortality listed so even Beerus basic ki aura can automatically end the fight.

Ah, you aren't familiar with UT. You see, Flowey has this thing called SAVE n LOAD, which basically allows him to reverse back time to the start of the fight, even after dying.
So a Hakai is really the only thing that can actually kill Flowey here.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Lil bro the EE shit is also him reducing the Underground in a void lmfao.

So then it happens over time got it then.

Since when it's mandatory to write of something is thought based? You can just link the evidence.

That’s literally the standard especially since the example doesn’t even say it’s thought based.

He literally has SAVE and LOAD which allows him to automatically restart the fight if he dies. It's literally on his Flowey tabber lol.

If that’s the case Beerus resorts to hakai especially since flowey will start yapping about his save and load points to Beerus in character.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

especially since flowey will start yapping about his save and load points to Beerus in character.

...Huh? Why would he do that?

 

[StrymULTRA]

So then it happens over time got it then.

No.

That’s literally the standard especially since the example doesn’t even say it’s thought based.

No???? You're making up your own rules lmaoz.

If that’s the case Beerus resorts to hakai especially since flowey will start yapping about his save and load points to Beerus in character.

No????

 

[Catbowtie]

Why wouldn't Beerus immediately think Flowey is a threat to the universe?

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

Hakai Ggs?

Flowey can't kill Beerus. Is Flowey's

• Data Manipulation, Text Manipulation and limited Information Manipulation (Type 2; Was able to manipulate the game's files, thus changing the intro of the game, overwriting the title to "FLOWEYTALE" and replacing Frisk's datas on the SAVE File with his own)

and

• Existence Erasure (Erased Frisk's SAVE File. Supposedly erased the entire Underground and everything in it, leaving a black void, although it's debateable if it actually happened due to him later admitting that he needs a 7th SOUL to destroy humanity, and if the Barrier was actually limiting him from reaching the outside world)

even combat applicable? Who put limited there anyways? Existence Erasure should have possibly and bold "limited" because I missed it the first time.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Why wouldn't Beerus immediately think Flowey is a threat to the universe?

Plenty of guys have tried to take on Beerus before, that Alien from Episode 1 for example. Beerus would probably view Flowey as just another random challenger.
He's also very confident in his power, so I doubt he'd jump straight to using Hakai, especially since Flowey here is significantly weaker than even BoG Goku.

I do think Flowey's EE is pretty sketchy tho ngl

 

[StrymULTRA]

Why wouldn't Beerus immediately think Flowey is a threat to the universe?

Hakai Ggs?

Flowey can't kill Beerus. Is Flowey's

and

even combat applicable? Who put limited there anyways? Existence Erasure should have possibly and bold "limited" because I missed it the first time.

Make a CRT, because it is combat applicable lol.

 

[Robo432343]

Beerus starts with punching

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bills with single thought

 

[Keeweed]

Why wouldn't Beerus immediately think Flowey is a threat to the universe?

Hakai Ggs?

Flowey can't kill Beerus. Is Flowey's

and

even combat applicable? Who put limited there anyways? Existence Erasure should have possibly and bold "limited" because I missed it the first time.

That state of mind part was supposed to be changed like a year ago. Every staff member I talk to agrees on it, why is it still there god!

 

[Sdjlakjh]

Isn't Flowey first move is EE Info? Beerus is dead

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I don't think he's ever done that.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Profile says he deleted everyone in the Underground, which Ig could technically count as his first move.

It being a first move or not doesn't really matter, anyway:
Flowey has infinite retries.
Beerus won't remember any of his past ones.
And Beerus wouldn't see any reason to use Hakai.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Against Galeem it was also concluded that his first move is EE too btw