Bayonetta - Universe Level Jubileus

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

It's sad. 3-A Dante goes through pretty easily but 3-A Bayo has difficulty even being noticed.
I'm not exactly against "possibly", since the Verse had Universe feats even before.

Only Aesir.

Who, to be fair, still curbs DMC via speed and hax.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Actually it seems like it applied to a previous version of Jubileus, but who lost her power. This tweet is just a semi-confirmation she still has that power.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Actually it seems like it applied to a previous version of Jubileus, but who lost her power. This tweet is just a semi-confirmation she still has that power.

Jubileus with the Eyes of the World, which is not her own power. It's Aesir's power.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Oh, k.

 

[Alakabamm]

I could swear they couldn't.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Couldnt what?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

nope just full stat equalized fights. Speed equalized is A-OK

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

"Match-ups with equalized statistics (with the exception of speed) are not allowed, as they turn the entire tiering system unnecessary."

Yup, only Speed equalized fights are allowed. Don't know why you thought that though, Alaka.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bumping, need more input

 

[Austrian-Man-Meat]

Only Aesir.

Who, to be fair, still curbs DMC via speed and hax.

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[TISSG7Redgrave]

Only Aesir.

Who, to be fair, still curbs DMC via speed and hax.

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we still don't know the speed yet because of what Mundus did m8 but never mind that. The statement imho has a hint of vagueness making it have some doubts on its own. Though Aesir still is 3-A the scale between sheba and Jubelius with him are kind of doubtful

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@TISSG7Redgrave Which is why it should probably be "Possibly 3-A" instead of a definite 3-A

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

hmmm possibly eh? I am kind of mixed here tbph

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah, i agree the statement is just the slightest bit vague but it's still worth a Possibly, plus there are plenty of in-game statements that she's at this level as well, hell Balder even stated that his plan was to use Jubileus to literally rewrite the universe

 

[Antvasima]

Again, not on board with this. I mentioned before why the scaling would then make no sense, and it still applies here.

On top of this, this isn't even in the same league as the Mundus tweet. In the other, a question was asked if Mundus really created multiple stars, and Kamiya replied that it was a universe. Whether this is deemed acceptable or not, it is far more concrete than directly asking him if Jubileus is a universe buster and his response being equivalent to an uncaring shrug.

If I asked Toby Fox if Chara could destroy an infinite dimensional construct, and his response was "Maybe. Maybe not", that would not be deemed nearly enough to upgrade the character due to having no showings to support it, coupled with the overly direct nature of the question, and the author's own uncertainty/apathy.

I still think that the above post seems to make the most sense.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Yeah, i agree the statement is just the slightest bit vague but it's still worth a Possibly, plus there are plenty of in-game statements that she's at this level as well, hell Balder even stated that his plan was to use Jubileus to literally rewrite the universe

wasn't that Aesir possesing Balder it was his power any way not jubelius's own power

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Antvasima Im very sorry if this sounds a bit rude, but what youre saying is you agree that the creator of Bayonetta saying that Jubileus may be able to destroy the universe should be disregarded because "he didn't seem serious"?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah, i agree the statement is just the slightest bit vague but it's still worth a Possibly, plus there are plenty of in-game statements that she's at this level as well, hell Balder even stated that his plan was to use Jubileus to literally rewrite the universe

wasn't that Aesir possesing Balder it was his power any way not jubelius's own power

Yes Aesir was posessing Balder but Balder still had some free will and none of Aesir's power was transfered into Balder when he sealed Aesir's soul inside himself.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, "could be" does sound extremely noncommittal.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And replying "Universe" to a question that wasn't even about a universe and without any exposition doesn't? And again, i'm not pushing for a solid 3-A, only a Possibly 3-A, i agree the wording is a bit vague but i don't think it should just be totally discredited.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I suppose that a "At least 5-A. Possibly 3-A", with a link to a screen-capture of the reply might be acceptable, but it depends on what Azathoth thinks.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Again, I do not agree. The difference is absolutely massive, and I do not feel Kamiya not flat out disagreeing is enough evidence to justify the wonky scaling among other things.

I do not want it to become a trend for users to try and contact any developer/writer/creator they can in attempts to boost their favorite characters or verses, with any answer that isn't a straight "no" suddenly becoming usable for profiles and scaling to a bunch of characters I doubt the creator even had in mind.

No idea if this applies to the Dante thing, since again, it has been a very long time since I've played through DMC, but at least the universe thing was direct and brought up by Kamiya, which I cannot say applies here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I agree that it would likely set a very bad precedent. Never mind then. Should we close this thread?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That is up to you.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So Dante gets to keep an upgrade that Bayonetta gets turned down for...great...i'd wouldnt mind a few more opinions but you can close it if you want

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close it.