Battle of the strongest non-smurf High 8-C #2 - Ainz Ooal Gown vs Toujou Karuna

[DeathNoodles]

It isn't resistance negation, but overcoming a resistance with a stronger version of said technique. Not that it matters, given that Karuna also has a skill which can give him information just by wishing to have it and his precognition that can tell him how things would go in advance.

If that's the case, then Karuna can't gain any sort of information with his abilities at all (especially since you stated that it isn't resistance negation, but just simply higher potency of the same abilities... Which Ainz deals with from other players of his own level many times in his backstory).

Ainz has resistance to both Information Analysis and Clairvoyance, so I doubt Karuna can even gain any trace of information from Ainz with his abilities.

Eh, no. An ability can ignore stats exactly then if it doesn't interact with the opponents stats. That's why stuff like space cutting his hax. Karuna isn't decreasing Ainz magic energy or anything. He just takes away his ability to make use of it. Ainz stats are technically left as is.

Karuna would of course not be able to use the stolen abilities on the original level if his power is too low for that.

Whether magic and skills is treated differently in Overlord is irrelevant, since what is stolen is determined by 100 Cheat Skills standards as that is what the technique is based on. In 100 Cheat Skills spells aren't skills, but the ability to use magic and control magical power is a skill. So Ainz will become unable to make any use of all the magical power he has, despite the power not being decreased in the slightest.

Karuna could win in other ways as well. Power Stealing is just the most direct one.

And like all Power Absorption abilities, Karuna needs feats to support him being able to steal skills of Ainz's calibre. It literally mentions in the Power Absorption thread that it'll be NLF to assume a character can copy anything, especially by replicating the full destructive potency, without feats.

Since you mentioned that Karuna can't replicate the full AP of Ainz's skills, nothing is preventing Ainz from just nuking Karuna if it comes down to it. And unless Karuna can actually use that same ability to steal magic spells via showings, it can't be assumed that Karuna can steal anything that isn't a "skill", which Magic isn't as shown in Overlord (even with Verse Equalisation).

Edit: Might as well wait for the forum move before continuing.

 

[Apeironaxim]

┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬» I'm fine with taking a break. Wanted to distance myself a bit from the wiki during the moving anyway. And then I'm going to do the massive Naraku downgrades I planned for ages now.

i understand wanting to distance yourself from something at times especially this site, and this is the perfect time to do it

 

[DeathNoodles]

Naraku's profiles makes him looks vastly more powerful than what I've seen from his consistent feats in the Inuyasha-verse anyways, so him getting downgraded seems fine.

You can take a break now if you want to.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I distanced myself from the internet for while before the corona outbreak, its a worthwhile thing to do.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

I have to mention ainz non supernatural luck feats far outstrips this characters supposedly supernatural luck...

For reference on ainz non supernatural luck feats ended a conspiracy to unite the kingdoms of man against him by accident when visiting the empire, saved an entire race of dwarves and made them incredibly loyal all because he showed up just as they were about to be wiped out by mole men. He also just so happened to run into one of the few runesmiths who still believed in his craft and had him willing to sell his soul in a matter of minutes...Again it was purely chance he happened upon this situation.

He enslaved the qouga and just happened to come across the one cowardly dragon that immediatly bent down to serve him, leading to him enslaving the entire frost dragon nest alongside the frost giants. He gave a girl who just happened to meet the right criteria a trash tier item that then summoned an army of goblins rather then the ten it was meant to. in doing so he secured an incredibly loyal servant that now commands a massive army of goblins. He handed out a random potion and wound up with a servant working tiressly to create new a better potions for him...he didn't plan it he quite literally just gave away a potion and it ended with him having potion researcher at his beck and call.

He also Created a religion around himself in a nation full of undead hating palidins...by accident.

Pretty much the only luck feat toujou has that ainz can't match is the casino...Ainz did very poorly at the gacha machines in his game

 

[DontTalkDT]

I have to mention ainz non supernatural luck feats far outstrips this characters supposedly supernatural luck...

You know, I only mentioned the stuff that was explicitly caused by that skill. The premise of Karuna's novel is that he lucks himself into 100 system glitches while reincarnating, meeting 100 goddesses in the process, getting a cheat skill from all of them and nobody noticing the mistake... Karuna's plot convenience luck is strong.

Naraku's profiles makes him looks vastly more powerful than what I've seen from his consistent feats in the Inuyasha-verse anyways, so him getting downgraded seems fine.

It has so many out of context things on it. My favourite might be "Memory Manipulation (With a gesture)". Makes it sound like Naraku waves his hand and makes any opponent forget its entire life.

In reality he only ever used that on an undead he himself created. And it explicitly only worked because that undead was implanted with a corrupted jewel shard Naraku controls. And also only under the requirement the the undead wants to forget...

The ability is technically correct, but the context just makes it completely useless. ( ÔëºÔû¢Ôëª)´¥ë´¢╝

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

You call it plot convience luck, I call it lazy writing!

 

[DontTalkDT]

You call it plot convience luck, I call it lazy writing!

I ain't claiming it's a good novel, ok? It's mediocre comedy at best.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Naraku's profiles makes him looks vastly more powerful than what I've seen from his consistent feats in the Inuyasha-verse anyways, so him getting downgraded seems fine.

It has so many out of context things on it. My favourite might be "Memory Manipulation (With a gesture)". Makes it sound like Naraku waves his hand and makes any opponent forget its entire life.
In reality he only ever used that on an undead he himself created. And it explicitly only worked because that undead was implanted with a corrupted jewel shard Naraku controls. And also only under the requirement the the undead wants to forget...

The ability is technically correct, but the context just makes it completely useless. ( ÔëºÔû¢Ôëª)´¥ë´¢╝

Holy heck.... that is useless...

 

[DeathNoodles]

...I am really looking forward to that future Naraku CRT downgrade if that's just one of the many extrapolated abilities, because damn, that ability is so useless...

 

[Moritzva]

This was one hell of a weird debate.

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

eh we'll contiue it when the forum move is done, atm post whatever nothings liable to be saved atm

 

[FDrybob]

Speaking of which, has anybody gotten the email for the forum move yet?

 

[The_pen_or_the_sword]

Just checked my email didn't see it all I saw were messages about people following/favorting my story that made me feel bad about my writers block

 

[DeathNoodles]

Speaking of which, has anybody gotten the email for the forum move yet?

Nope.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Karuna upgrades reminded me that this was supposed to be continued after the forum move.
Then again, I'm not sure how much of a debate this still is since the upgrades happened...