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Yeah. Let's look into the future, edel vs yhwach hehe.
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Battle for the 4th strongest 6-A - Edelweiss vs Commissioner R
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You can't. Edel got type 4. That's why you can't precog whether her threads will go right down to shit.Zel97 said:
There are a lot i wanna try at yhwach tbh cuz idk what will be fair. I wanted to make a true rakudai vs yhwach but since i lack that little bit of info on the 5b calc that prevents it from being accepted im gonna have to restrict soul crush. Kinda sad.
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So what's the final conclusion here?
Assuming nobody goes like "im reading rakudai will vote when i reach desperados".
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Lol for real? You're reading Rakudai just for desperados?
Boy boy boy. Don't do that lol. Fights aside and all that stuff, you're a pal i would hate to see you read 12 volumes for 1 chapter of desperado explanation. Just no.
If you're in it because you actually wanna read Rakudai (interested in it), fair enough go ahead. If you're in only for desperados, don't. Im serious, not worth it. The desperado explanation is literally on volume 12. I can just send you the chapter if you want.
Boy boy boy. Don't do that lol. Fights aside and all that stuff, you're a pal i would hate to see you read 12 volumes for 1 chapter of desperado explanation. Just no.
If you're in it because you actually wanna read Rakudai (interested in it), fair enough go ahead. If you're in only for desperados, don't. Im serious, not worth it. The desperado explanation is literally on volume 12. I can just send you the chapter if you want.
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Though Rakudai is a pretty good read, so i guess go ahead. Gonna take you a long time though.
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Firephoenixearl said:
Gurren Lagann-nonono
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Gurren Lagann-nonono
What? Rakudai is easily one of the best novels of its genre
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Ionliosite said:
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That's the power of Seinfeld is Unfunny.
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Bahamut abandoned the genre after the aptly named "Academy Arc", after that it has become a political drama (yes, a harem-action series is also a political drama, I also find it insane).
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I'm reading it to confirm just anything about the verse
Even without trying to do a character study, I absolutely despise Ikki as a character and your insistence that it's everyone else's fault for not liking him really is not helping me try to see him in a better light
Even without trying to do a character study, I absolutely despise Ikki as a character and your insistence that it's everyone else's fault for not liking him really is not helping me try to see him in a better light
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>Confirm just anything about the verse.
Wdym?
Also i never said anything about "disliking Ikki", liking or disliking him, that's your opinion. I argued mostly against the "he's a bad character" "he's a mary sue" "stella is there to fawn over Ikki". These kinds of stuff. If you dislike someone then go ahead. Im not gonna change people's opinion of Pineapple pizza with arguments, matter of taste.
Wdym?
Also i never said anything about "disliking Ikki", liking or disliking him, that's your opinion. I argued mostly against the "he's a bad character" "he's a mary sue" "stella is there to fawn over Ikki". These kinds of stuff. If you dislike someone then go ahead. Im not gonna change people's opinion of Pineapple pizza with arguments, matter of taste.
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The real cal howard said:
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Like Perfect Vision/Blade Steal, Phantom Form, and overall just make sure that the pages aren't full of wank
Well, he is basically 100% a mary sue by definition, in that his literal only flaw, outside of having short range which isn't exactly a flaw, is that he's too nice. Being too nice is not a flaw, regardless of how you put it. Additionally, as far as I can tell, the author can't seem to decide whether Stella wants Ikki's dick or wants to stab him and this changes just about every chapter.
Well, he is basically 100% a mary sue by definition, in that his literal only flaw, outside of having short range which isn't exactly a flaw, is that he's too nice. Being too nice is not a flaw, regardless of how you put it. Additionally, as far as I can tell, the author can't seem to decide whether Stella wants Ikki's dick or wants to stab him and this changes just about every chapter.
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More like she wants him to stab her if you know what I mean...
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Hahahahahaha. This was a good one.The real cal howard said:
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The perfect vision/blade steal are already in the feat list, but ok. And ugh Phantom Form. I've currently settled for pain manip cus it's the only definition that answers them all, but i doubt you're gonna find that chapter, it's not on the usual online reading sites.
He's not as much Mary Sue as much he is just a quick addapter. So it's not that he is broken as **** by nature, he consantly grows, just very fast. An example would be Ikki vs Kirihara (im assuming you've reached that as it's volume 1). Kirihara was made very clear to be superior there (or more like a hard counter to him), he just adapted and figured a way to get past the 1 thing separating him from victory.
As for Stella, that's her character boy. She's his greatest rival and his greatest lover. Here's a quote to get what i mean:
"Ikki. The next one will probably going to be our last duel. So I'll swear it now." Stella was staring straight at Ikki. "Even if your life ends from this, I will continue to love you and only you for the rest of my life."
There is also a sort of "trust" from this, but you'll learn eventually as you read the series.
He's not as much Mary Sue as much he is just a quick addapter. So it's not that he is broken as **** by nature, he consantly grows, just very fast. An example would be Ikki vs Kirihara (im assuming you've reached that as it's volume 1). Kirihara was made very clear to be superior there (or more like a hard counter to him), he just adapted and figured a way to get past the 1 thing separating him from victory.
As for Stella, that's her character boy. She's his greatest rival and his greatest lover. Here's a quote to get what i mean:
"Ikki. The next one will probably going to be our last duel. So I'll swear it now." Stella was staring straight at Ikki. "Even if your life ends from this, I will continue to love you and only you for the rest of my life."
There is also a sort of "trust" from this, but you'll learn eventually as you read the series.
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Imagine your girlfriend being both a yandere and a tsundere. Yikes.
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Ikr. No wonder Stella's so hot.The real cal howard said:
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It's more find context because those scans don't explain anything. The explaination for "stealing" techniques is something i've already seen and is nowhere near as impressive as you make it out to be.
Being able to be hard-countered in a fight is not a flaw. I've reached the final chapter of Volume 2. You do realize that Stella is constantly insulting him for literally existing near other girls and shit like that right? That is not normal behavior.
Being able to be hard-countered in a fight is not a flaw. I've reached the final chapter of Volume 2. You do realize that Stella is constantly insulting him for literally existing near other girls and shit like that right? That is not normal behavior.
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Wdym not as impressive as i make it out to be? What's the difference between my arguments and the quotes?
That's the idea most of the time. He gets hard countered by literally everything. He doesn't have "good compatibility". He only has bad and very bad compatibilities.
Jealousy is not normal behaviour? How? The jealousy does go away later though don't worry if you don't like it. She becomes a lot more confident later on.
That's the idea most of the time. He gets hard countered by literally everything. He doesn't have "good compatibility". He only has bad and very bad compatibilities.
Jealousy is not normal behaviour? How? The jealousy does go away later though don't worry if you don't like it. She becomes a lot more confident later on.
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The explanation for it is literally just being able to figure out how to make a technique perfect, because otherwise you're just doing whatever the hell you want with it. You make it out as the end all be all of technique copying.
He doesn't, really, considering how he kinda memes on Ayase despite her going out of her way to gimp his capabilities and he beats Stella, someone who can easily one-shot him and was basically better in every way.
There's a difference between jealousy and thinking that someone is cheating because they talked to another woman.
He doesn't, really, considering how he kinda memes on Ayase despite her going out of her way to gimp his capabilities and he beats Stella, someone who can easily one-shot him and was basically better in every way.
There's a difference between jealousy and thinking that someone is cheating because they talked to another woman.
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How to make it perfect on top of understanding the very principles, the ideas that lead to such a sword style and it's history. Pretty sure i haven't argued anymore than that.
He memes on Ayase because she's weak. He also memes on Renren, but those aren't important "bosses", the fights between those are not a means of "can ikki overcome this". And he beats Stella, sure, did he win because of good compatibility? It's always just Ikki having bad compatibility against people (some minor exceptions). That's the idea, "the weakest one" fighting against unfair magical talent.
Most of the jealousy is because of Shizuku who kissed him first thing in the series. What do you expect? The only other case is Ayase. He touched her thighs. What do you expect her to be like "oh well it's just her thighs, fair enough"?
He memes on Ayase because she's weak. He also memes on Renren, but those aren't important "bosses", the fights between those are not a means of "can ikki overcome this". And he beats Stella, sure, did he win because of good compatibility? It's always just Ikki having bad compatibility against people (some minor exceptions). That's the idea, "the weakest one" fighting against unfair magical talent.
Most of the jealousy is because of Shizuku who kissed him first thing in the series. What do you expect? The only other case is Ayase. He touched her thighs. What do you expect her to be like "oh well it's just her thighs, fair enough"?
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Again, that's just what is needed to perfect a technique. The only thing that is really impressive is learning why it was created, which tends to be rather obvious in most cases but can be rather esoteric in some.
He memes on a person who can remotely decapitate him by thinking is what you mean. Renren relied on speed over anything else, and Ikki just happened to be fast enough to render that entirely moot. Ikki's title is complete bullshit. He literally says that his family understands the importance of martial arts, but kicked him out anyways because idfk. His whole origin story makes no sense without everyone involved arbitrarily deciding to hate him despite all common sense and logic. Stella literally out-classed Ikki in every way except for muh skill, saying she had the advantage is an understatement.
Ikki was very obviously not okay with Shizuku doing that and he literally explained why he touched Ayase's thighs and Ayase herself didn't care and literally asked him to help her. This is the kind of behavior you expect to find from that old psycho girlfriend meme.
He memes on a person who can remotely decapitate him by thinking is what you mean. Renren relied on speed over anything else, and Ikki just happened to be fast enough to render that entirely moot. Ikki's title is complete bullshit. He literally says that his family understands the importance of martial arts, but kicked him out anyways because idfk. His whole origin story makes no sense without everyone involved arbitrarily deciding to hate him despite all common sense and logic. Stella literally out-classed Ikki in every way except for muh skill, saying she had the advantage is an understatement.
Ikki was very obviously not okay with Shizuku doing that and he literally explained why he touched Ayase's thighs and Ayase herself didn't care and literally asked him to help her. This is the kind of behavior you expect to find from that old psycho girlfriend meme.
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Not a technique, a style. The idea of those is he knows even things he has never seen from the style. But again I've never argued anything more than those so i don't know your point.
Who? Ikki didn't win via speed. He specifically couldn't keep up with her. She was so fast he couldn't even see her. He won via skill and prediction. About why his family hates him it'll be explained in the 3rd volume don't worry. It's not simply because he was weak.
Yes ikki was, doesn't mean stella should be like "yeah whatever" when other girls are all over him. Again it's just her insecurity playing here. It disappears later on.
Who? Ikki didn't win via speed. He specifically couldn't keep up with her. She was so fast he couldn't even see her. He won via skill and prediction. About why his family hates him it'll be explained in the 3rd volume don't worry. It's not simply because he was weak.
Yes ikki was, doesn't mean stella should be like "yeah whatever" when other girls are all over him. Again it's just her insecurity playing here. It disappears later on.
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Eh...The real cal howard said:
The thing is stella doesn't want to kill him because of any girl or reasons like that. It's more like "ily so i don't give a shit if i kill you" if that makes any sense out of context.
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I love how this discussion stopped being abour R and Edelweiss and became about Ikki's character and everyone sorrounding him.
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The difference is nonexistent as far as the ability itself cares. Learning things that he has 0 way to know about isn't skill or technique copying anymore, it's outright supernatural power copy. I'm not saying that you've said it's more than these, i'm saying that you're vastly overestimating how potent the abilities actually are.
Ayase. Uh no, there was a moment where Renren literally saw that he was tracking her with his eyes. The explanation better be good considering the complete lack of common sense and logic found within his backstory so far.
There's a difference between girls wanting Ikki and Ikki wanting girls, something that Stella had 0 reason to not know.
Ayase. Uh no, there was a moment where Renren literally saw that he was tracking her with his eyes. The explanation better be good considering the complete lack of common sense and logic found within his backstory so far.
There's a difference between girls wanting Ikki and Ikki wanting girls, something that Stella had 0 reason to not know.
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Continue the show goddamit!
It's getting better
It's getting better
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He does explain how he can understand those things but ok. And what do you mean? I've not said anymore than what the ability truly is but I've been overestimating it? How?
Pretty sure that was before she reached full speed though will need to recheck to be sure but it is stated several times that she is invisible to him and it's even stated why she was wrong. Even now it's not that it makes no sense, he is a failure of a knight. The family acknowledging the importance of actually training doesn't mean you don't need blazer skills. Cus blazers ARE the strongest soldiers for a reason. But yeah the explanation is pretty good.
Ikki blushes and is shown several times to be "unable" to push shizuku away. Treated almost as a weakness. He may not want but he can't say no.
Pretty sure that was before she reached full speed though will need to recheck to be sure but it is stated several times that she is invisible to him and it's even stated why she was wrong. Even now it's not that it makes no sense, he is a failure of a knight. The family acknowledging the importance of actually training doesn't mean you don't need blazer skills. Cus blazers ARE the strongest soldiers for a reason. But yeah the explanation is pretty good.
Ikki blushes and is shown several times to be "unable" to push shizuku away. Treated almost as a weakness. He may not want but he can't say no.
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What exactly was his explanation, then? Because that's like saying that sheer skill lets you predict someone's attacks by looking at the market value of peaches in Thailand (and yes this comparison was intentional. There's a guy in SCP who literally does sort of thing and it's hilarious)
It was at least after she reached Mach 2, which was nearing top speed iirc. I'm pretty sure it was the other way around, in that being a strong blazer doesn't mean that you don't need actual combat skills, which was why Ikki knew about Ayatsuji.
I mean you're basically saying that he secretly wants to **** his sister but I digress.
It was at least after she reached Mach 2, which was nearing top speed iirc. I'm pretty sure it was the other way around, in that being a strong blazer doesn't mean that you don't need actual combat skills, which was why Ikki knew about Ayatsuji.
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