The Reaper hunts a Rabbit (Koronsei vs Bunny, Battle for Strongest High 8-C)

[azontr]

You'd assume he'd be at least supersonic/High Hypersonic or smth considering he's superior to the Reaper guy, but oh well.

He should be Mach 40 for scaling above The Reaper, idk why he isn't when we're scaling his AP above his student but not his speed. May have to make a CRT for that, as well as for some other stuff.

Koro has telescopic vision though so he's still got eyes on Bunny at basically any distance within SBA.

 

[DontTalkDT]

He did not threaten Aguri, he told her to get out of there specifically because he cared about her and didn't want to kill her. Aguri only died in the end because he was to distracted to move fast enough to save her.

He spared the one single person that he had grown to love. And then, he didn't actually brainwash her.
You are basically arguing that not killing his best friend equates to not killing a random other person that he assumes wants to kill him.

In this key, or IIRC in general, there isn't a single example of him using brainwash techniques on someone trying to kill him when he could instead have killed them without negative consequences for himself.

If you want to see other scenes of him not randomly killing others, you can read chapters 134 of the manga until you get to the end of his backstory arc, because he's chill basically the entire time until he realizes his fate lol. But if you really want to sum up his standard mindset in one sentence, it's this: "I won't kill you. Unless you're worth killing, that is.."

The evidence you link is not from this key.
His behaviour in other keys is not an argument for this one. (And in the other keys he also wouldn't take that action...)
Also, fairly sure what he says there is a lie he tells them to try to have them take down their guard.

Also "he's chill basically the entire time until he realizes his fate" aside from not being this key, there is also the fact that he is chill because he is actively tricking them into giving him the superpower treatment. He obviously isn't going to kill people who do exactly what he wants.
Not really applicable to someone he assumes wants to seriously harm him.

DT is basically lying by trying to use that as evidence to his standard mindset.

Lying by providing literally 100% of the the entire footage of this key? I'm rightfully pointing out that Korosensei has demonstrated nothing else but this behaviour in the key.
You bring up behaviour that he, or other characters, only demonstrated in other keys. While at the same time arguing that he won't actually act like in those other keys either. You are basically talking about a purely theoretical mindset that at no point in time was demonstrated and is a mix of various other mindsets of the character.

It's gonna take 5-6 mins till either of them reach the other. Damn, peak matchup.

Bunny has no real reason to not use her time powers to speed that up. She could go "super speed" by slowing time of everyone else or just go straight to infinite time stop.
By SBA she is informed that there is a monster trying to kill her after all.

Koro has telescopic vision though so he's still got eyes on Bunny at basically any distance within SBA.

Trees.

 

[azontr]

He spared the one single person that he had grown to love. And then, he didn't actually brainwash her.
You are basically arguing that not killing his best friend equates to not killing a random other person that he assumes wants to kill him.

In this key, or IIRC in general, there isn't a single example of him using brainwash techniques on someone trying to kill him when he could instead have killed them without negative consequences for himself.

What are you even talking about. He uses brainwashing techniques all the time during missions against those he could not kill with strength or intellect. This is part of his standard assassination kit...

Literally the only reason he didn't brainwash Aguri is because it wouldn't have mattered because Aguri has no authority to help him escape. She had to lie to a door guardsman to get into the room. These RANDOM PEOPLE are people who have kidnapped him and tortured him for a year, something he explicitly says he had to endure when he could have killed them all and escaped at any given moment.

Your argument completely ignores context.

The evidence you link is not from this key.
His behaviour in other keys is not an argument for this one. (And in the other keys he also wouldn't take that action...)

They are literally the exact same person. The only difference between that guy and the Tentacle Monster is that he has tentacles and one does not. Otherwise, The Reaper and the Tentacle Monster are the same people.

Keys don't automatically change a person's mindset. The only key with a difference in mindset from the other two is the Korosensei key, the yellow octopus. In fact, the Tentacle Monster key may as well just be a transformation that he can enter at any time.

Also "he's chill basically the entire time until he realizes his fate" aside from not being this key, there is also the fact that he is chill because he is actively tricking them into giving him the superpower treatment. He obviously isn't going to kill people who do exactly what he wants.
Not really applicable to someone he assumes wants to seriously harm him.

They are doing exactly what he wants because he is actively manipulating the experiments so that the result he wants is achieved. Not to mention that even outside of the experiments they are seriously harming him by literally electrocuting him.

Also, again, different key doesn't mean different mindset. It's just a different form.

Lying by providing literally 100% of the the entire footage of this key? I'm rightfully pointing out that Korosensei has demonstrated nothing else but this behaviour in the key.

By actively ignoring the context behind why he chooses this behavior and the people he's doing said behavior against, the people who have tortured him for over a year after kidnapping him. I mean no offense, but this is the textbook definition of being obtuse, not everything is cut and dry just based on what you see. There are reasons he did the things he did.

If we just took every bad character in fiction destroying things cause they're bad while ignoring why they did this, then you would be lying.

You bring up behaviour that he, or other characters, only demonstrated in other keys. While at the same time arguing that he won't actually act like in those other keys either. You are basically talking about a purely theoretical mindset that at no point in time was demonstrated and is a mix of various other mindsets of the character.

This key argument is already getting old. This is the same as you arguing that SBA circumvents Bunny's bloodlust being quelled. Different key ≠ mindset.

 

[azontr]

Trees.

Realized I forgot to respond to this, but, X-Ray Vision. Or enhanced hearing if we want to assume he can't see through trees.

 

[noninho]

If Bunny crosses the distance with speed equalized like that then that just gives Koro chances to pull off his wincons, juuust saying

So, that's actually not what's happening because both are equalized as Peak Human... if they're 4km apart and Bunny's first move apparently is TS while none of what Reaper has is reaching her...that's a huge problem.
(I took that info from the wiki

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc.

it's this: "I won't kill you. Unless you're worth killing, that is.."

Yeah this really needs further context, so imma read the chapter

If you want to see other scenes of him not randomly killing others, you can read chapters 134 of the manga until you get to the end of his backstory arc, because he's chill basically the entire time until he realizes his fate lol

Yeah, he's quite fine until he starts that bloodlusted kill spree. If that's our guy, the only thing that will matter is the range, I suppose

 

[noninho]

Booster: The ability to stretch aka slow down time.

Recall: Use consumes one bunny doll. Redo the past, by respawning in the same room, with the health you had when entering. Activated after death.

Reverse: Can reverse the time of the world around her, while she herself is going forward in time like normal.

Those are also a severe problem for korosensei

 

[azontr]

, that's actually not what's happening because both are equalized as Peak Human... if they're 4km apart and Bunny's first move apparently is TS while none of what Reaper has is reaching her...that's a huge problem.

Not exactly what I meant, cause all Korosensei needs to initiate his wincons is a couple of words or any time at all before TS to activate his social influencing, which would make Bunny not use TS to begin with.

I also haven't exactly seen any evidence that she starts with TS, especially at this distance, even when I asked, and Bunny's profile doesn't have a standard tactics section (or scans) so I've just been taking DT's word.

Those are also a severe problem for korosensei

The point of my argument is that Koro will keep her from using these abilities to begin with, cause he has an ability that forces Bunny to not even see him as a threat, and it's passive, which he can further stack with brainwashing or other mental techniques after she's effected by the passive.

 

[noninho]

Not exactly what I meant, cause all Korosensei needs to initiate his wincons is a couple of words or any time at all before TS to activate his social influencing, which would make Bunny not use TS to begin with.

How can someone use words or SI with look (to which I need some evidence for) from...kilometers away?

I also haven't exactly seen any evidence that she starts with TS, especially at this distance, even when I asked, and Bunny's profile doesn't have a standard tactics section (or scans) so I've just been taking DT's word.

Me neither, I'm also taking their words as I don't know neither of the verses involved here.

The point of my argument is that Koro will keep her from using these abilities to begin with, cause he has an ability that forces Bunny to not even see him as a threat, and it's passive, which he can further stack with brainwashing or other mental techniques after she's effected by the passive.

To which I need proof that will work immediately from kilometers away when specified abilities are marked from being capable of working on this distsnce

 

[azontr]

How can someone use words or SI with look (to which I need some evidence for)

The point of bringing up range is that Koro has more time to weigh his options and prepare for the confrontation as Bunny crosses the distance, weighing what words or actions he needs to take to take her out of the count instead of having to immediately do something because she's standing right in front of him, making it that much easier to influence her.

To which I need proof that will work immediately from kilometers away when specified abilities are marked from being capable of working on this distsnce

It would work as soon as he comes into view, even better if she gets up close and personal.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Based on what I remember from Bunny's game footage, she kind... Only had TS and fire attack, and that's pretty much it. And her fire attack is melee ranged, so for first move, I'd say TS is pretty likely.

You can just type the name of the verse on YouTube, and any footage you'll see has her using TS. It's the theme of the game iirc.

 

[azontr]

Based on what I remember from Bunny's game footage, she kind... Only had TS and fire attack, and that's pretty much it. And her fire attack is melee ranged, so for first move, I'd say TS is pretty likely.

You can just type the name of the verse on YouTube, and any footage you'll see has her using TS. It's the theme of the game iirc.

Time stop being in character is reasonable and I can believe that. But if she has other options, her immediately starting with time stop as soon as the fight begins with no delay or thought that she might be able to do something else is not. Especially since most of her time stop usages, I imagine, come from player control, so we can't really discern her standard mindset anyways.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I don't know what to tell you then, if the argument is that (I think) "it's player control, therefore we don't have a standard mindset", then there's nothing I can really argue here, as this argument can work against myriad of game characters.

Though, from what I recall from the footage where Bunny was the boss, she did constantly use time stop, and according to DT, her time stop is no longer limited, but permanent. Additionally, considering the game is all about time shenanigans, I'd assume it's fair to assume she'd start with some time shenanigans as well.

Regardless, do remind me, is the current, main argument for Koro is his social influence?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Almost forgot, but considering pretty much all her attacks can't reach even a single kilometer from what I'm seeing except her time stop, it's more the reason she'll start with it.

 

[azontr]

I don't know what to tell you then, if the argument is that (I think) "it's player control, therefore we don't have a standard mindset", then there's nothing I can really argue here, as this argument can work against myriad of game characters

Again, I'm not arguing she won't use time stop at all at no point in the fight. Just that saying that she immediately begins with it no matter the circumstances would require a bit more evidence or substantiating. Especially when she doesn't have any knowledge on her opponent barring "monster wants to kill me".

Though, from what I recall from the footage where Bunny was the boss, she did constantly use time stop, and according to DT, her time stop is no longer limited, but permanent. Additionally, considering the game is all about time shenanigans, I'd assume it's fair to assume she'd start with some time shenanigans as well.

I haven't seen that footage, but if she doesn't instantly use time stop the instant the fight begins then that just works against her.

Almost forgot, but considering pretty much all her attacks can't reach even a single kilometer from what I'm seeing except her time stop, it's more the reason she'll start with it.

Apparently she has ways to speed up the distance crossing, so there's no reason she wouldn't work in favor of that instead rather than stopping time and crossing the distance at normal speeds.

Regardless, do remind me, is the current, main argument for Koro is his social influence?

That's part of the argument. His social influencing would convince Bunny he's not a threat and get her to lower her guard the moment she lays eyes on him, hastening the decision-making necessary to use time stop which would allow him to lead into brainwashing her or stunning her consciousness with people discernment & clap stunner combo (clap stunner doesn't actually require him to move, and he can just shout loudly if he wants to take her out for the count without killing her). The soundwave paralyzes the voluntary/somatic nervous system, which is responsible for conscious thought.

 

[azontr]

Bumper wumper dumper

 

[BoastJr]

so to Summarise this thread

Bunny's advantages are

• Time Stop (Main Win Condition)
• Starting Distance being 4 Kilometres

Korosensei's advantages are

• Far better CQC
• Better enhance senses
• Stealth + Surrounding
• Bunny's lack of knowledge on Who or What Korosensei is
• Passive Social Influencing + Brainwash (Main Win Condition)

 

[azontr]

That's basically it. The last two for Korosensei play a far bigger role than CQC or stealth, though.

 

[noninho]

I think as Bunny's thing (according to DT and Rikimarox (who saw gameplay), and we trust this so far) is the TS and has a really heavy advantage of having 23 chances with other time gimmicks at her disposal also being her thing, she really has the edge here.
I will check out some gameplay while washing some dishes and later today (7:50pm here) will try to post something like a "Standard Tactics" here for us to debate if it's truly like this.

Seeya.

 

[azontr]

I mean if her standard tactic is anything besides instant time stop with no delay whatsoever or no attempts to cross the distance beforehand (which as I've explained seems rather unlikely), she basically loses the moment Koro looks at her funny. It basically just depends on that.

 

[noninho]

To me it seems likely that she will be using it (TS) to cross the distance needed, specially if we take into consideration how she usually navigates in the place to fight the 7 devils, using her time powers, like to slow everybody down while she walks normally (which then makes her super fast gameplaywise).
When you got that power up until the end of the game, it really seems like a good idea to keep using it all the time to navigate, then she kills him in stopped time and gg.

I vote for Bunny, now.

 

[azontr]

like to slow everybody down while she walks normally (which then makes her super fast gameplaywise).

I will count your vote, but if you acknowledge she will use time slow instead of time stop to cross the distance, then you would still need to address the fact that the option to stop time wouldn't actually cross her mind due to social influencing, leaving her open to basically anything else. I feel like my main points haven't been addressed.

Still counting your vote, but just saying.

 

[noninho]

I will count your vote, but if you acknowledge she will use time slow instead of time stop to cross the distance, then you would still need to address the fact that the option to stop time wouldn't actually cross her mind due to social influencing, leaving her open to basically anything else. I feel like my main points haven't been addressed.

Still counting your vote, but just saying.

Afaik she can use both

 

[azontr]

I know she can use either or, but if her general mindset is to use time slow for navigation and travel, then that's what she would go for before stopping time. Meaning she opens herself up to being passively influenced. You have somewhat proven my point via the video footage.

 

[BoastJr]

I will vote Koro Sensei.

Bunny has a very straight forward win here but that is only if we take this battle on paper.

Azontr has brought up a good point on whether or not she will start with timestop as she doesn't know what Korosensei looks like nor has any information on his abilities. There are possible scenarios where she would just come into sight in her counter against Korosensei and use her Timstop abilities from there which would lead to Korosensei winning.

Unless it is elaborated further on her mentality, I will vote Korosensei via Social Influencing and other minor factors

 

[azontr]

That's 1 to 1.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Korosensei FRA

 

[azontr]

2 to 1

 

[Ebihara]

arguments for Korosensei imo, put me down for him.

 

[azontr]

Tres to uno

 

[azontr]

Bumpo.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Voting for Korosensei for the reasons above

 

[azontr]

cuatro to uno

 

[azontr]

Bump

 

[noninho]

Bump

Bumping is once every 8 hours

 

[azontr]

I've had like an iota of sleep across the past 2 days, idk what time even is anymore

 

[DaReaperMan]

I've had like an iota of sleep across the past 2 days, idk what time even is anymore

You shouldn't respect time it is an odious concept.

 

[azontr]

Bump (it's not early this time cause I've regained brain cells)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Korusensei takes this by a longshot. Korosensei has beyond so many hax and yet bunny just doesn't resist s***.
Korosensei, low diff.

 

[azontr]

Thank you for your input kind citizen.

 

[PhantomØ4]

Koro teacher for reasons above.