Base Superboy-Prime.

[Stefano4444]

Something that it was be pointed out in a previous discussion, but for what reason Base Superboy-Prime isn't ranked 3-A?

I mean, Superboy-Prime during Pre Crisis was be stated and show to be comparable to Pre Crisis Superman.

And during the COIE, he was the only one along with Earth-Two who could still fight off a weakened (but still powerful and dangerous for both of them) Anti-Monitor COIE and survive his attacks.

The retcon punch itself should make him 3-A at minimum (although i do think that it should be more like a Low 2-C feat), he was able to alterate the entire New Earth's reality.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Odd, Superboy is 3-C likely higher scaled to Sodom Yat but Sodom Yat is scaled to Superboy... Their not even scaled from a feat. Not saying they aren't that high, just that they should have a link to what makes them 3-C.

If Base Superboy is comparable to Superman (Pre-Crisis) then I guess he can be upgraded and if Sodom Yat fought him, he should be upgraded as well.

 

[Antvasima]

You may have a good point, but I am uncertain. It is best if you ask Matthew to comment here.

 

[Antvasima]

It may just be DC's common inconsistent scaling though.

 

[Xantospoc]

@Lord Griffin: The feat is in Superboy's durabilty of tanking Mordru's attack, although the beating from Anti Monitor who was fighting a full powered bloodlusted Silver Age Superman should already give him a 3-A rating

ALSO, Superboy Prime also planned to make a new Big Bang by hitting Oan at light speed. I do not think the reality warping should be given a rating

His Time Trapper key should be also upgraded to 2-C because of the previous Content Revision thread of the Time Trapper

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I will research later and update Time Trapper and stuff. I have classes this afternoon.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[HrishikeshM]

i find myself in agreement with xantospoc and stefano

base sbp is quite low balled in this site but not as much as in obd lol

 

[CursedGentleman]

Hey guys, I am late for this, but shouldn't Superboy prime also have resistance to time manipulation as he was able to get out of the Speed Force?

 

[HrishikeshM]

i fail to see how thats a resistance feat...

 

[AKM sama]

I never understood why OBD rates him so low.

Anyway, I do agree and I was also thinking about making this thread after the recent Hit vs SBP happened.

 

[AKM sama]

Hey guys, I am late for this, but shouldn't Superboy prime also have resistance to time manipulation as he was able to get out of the Speed Force?

It's more of a dimensional feat rather than a time manip resistance tbh.

 

[AKM sama]

Also, this thread should be moved to Content Revision Board.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I moved the thread to the content revision board

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I have to disagree. Post-Crisis Prime Clark, while supposedly being the same as Pre-Crisis, isn't nearly as strong.

Barry Allen is also another character who is supposed to be the same since Pre-Crisis but we don't scale him to Pre-Crisis stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Superboy Prime later severely damaged the Anti-Monitor, and withstood a universe-destroying explosion point blank, and I don't think that he was powered-up to astronomical levels at the time. He had an adult body, yes, but I do not think that he was more than a few times stronger than previously.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Wasn't the Anti-Monitor really, really, really weakened when he did that?

 

[Xantospoc]

There is also this

 

[Antvasima]

The Anti-Monitor was likely at nowhere near full power, yes, but I do not think that Prime was powered up more than a few times during the Countdown explosion.

 

[Xantospoc]

Full Power Anti Monitor is pretty vague as we don't have a key for him at base (only at his peak).

Still Base Anti Monitor should be 3-A for one shotting Supergirl

 

[Stefano4444]

Even if we cannot scale Prime to Pre Crisis, the former has still performed a 3-A feat while in a weakened state and he had stated that he was going to make a new Big Bang.

 

[Stefano4444]

Base Anti Monitor should be 3-A for one shotting Supergirl

Base Anti-Monitor was also able to easily defeat Pre Crisis Superman.

https://imgur.com/a/AXZva

 

[Xantospoc]

I think that counts as a sneak attack, but yes, nonetheless he is above baseline 3-A, yes

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think Matthew & The Everlasting?

 

[Stefano4444]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

Matthew has edited the Superboy-Prime page. Perhaps we should close this thread?

 

[Stefano4444]

Matthew has edited the Superboy-Prime page. Perhaps we should close this thread?

This thread is about Base Superboy-Prime, while Matt's edit was about Adult Prime.

Two different topics.

 

[Xantospoc]

No. He has edited the amped version, not the base version

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You can ask him to comment here again if you wish.

 

[Stefano4444]

Matthew, what you think about Base Prime be 3-A?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm uncertain, honestly.

 

[Antvasima]

Maybe "At least 3-C, possibly 3-A" for both him and Sodam Yat?

 

[Stefano4444]

Personally i still think that there is enough evidence to put Base Prime at 3-A (and not just at possibly/likely 3-A).

Even without scaling Prime from Pre Crisis, we had still one feat and a statement from the Infinite Crisis's comic series itself that back up the upgrade, namely:

- The Recton Punch, where it was show and stated (by Alexander Lex Jr.) that Prime was affecting/altering the entire New Earth's reality/universe (so not just planet Earth) with his punches, a Prime that was be depowered by the lack of a yellow Sun.

- The Big Bang, where Prime had stated that he was going to make a new Big Bang by hitting Oa at lightspeed (while also claiming that he was going to survive it), a statement that wasn't disproved but instead it was taken seriously by all the other characters.

 

[Antvasima]

Those are some valid points.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think Likely 3-A is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Are you willing to update the Prime and Sodam Yat profiles accordingly?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Later. I was working on a blog but due to malfunction on my internet the tabs all spontaneously closed and I lost 40 minutes of progress.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I am sorry to hear that.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I also agree with just "Likely 3-A ¨ .

 

[LordNephalem]

Sorry, but why isn't "adult" prime rated as low 2-C? The universal explosion he withstood was explicitly stated to have affected time and space.