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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Qawsedf234 said:
You didn’t supply that evidence. If it does fold space-time and time it's probably fine, but don't get hostile when you don't present the entire scenario then get mad that I don't know the entire scenario.
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I wasn't hostile or Mad. I was under the impression that you all were much familiar with the novel.
Qawsedf234 said:
Because that's how UES works. All energy is supplied to the same power. A move only scales if it supplies and equal or greater amount.
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But it does tho? Why are we still talking about this irrelevant subject.
Qawsedf234 said:
They do both with the evidence presented. You thinking otherwise isn't a valid counter reasoning.
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They don't, even reading the black hole standards, it doesn't have to show that other blatant evidence is enough to get a solid rating. And the UES argument is pointless and not even worthwhile when we already accept on cases like this in similar fashion to scale.
Qawsedf234 said:
A black hole is 5-A is its 40 centimeters or larger. Like unless it's very tiny they're mostly 5-A in fiction.
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Good then, It doesn't make anything outlier though I don't think it would reach but it most likely would however for the sake default interpretation it could be lower but this doesn't matter for now.
 
Specterxxxx said:
I wasn't hostile or Mad.
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From your perspective, maybe not. But the way I took it was being hostile and overly defensive regarding a dissenting viewpoint.
Specterxxxx said:
But it does tho? Why are we still talking about this irrelevant subject.
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A UES means that you can supply an equal amount of power to both "magical" and "physical" statistics. So an 8-C fireball can be instead tuned to a 8-C punch. But if the attack uses a notably larger amount of energy compared to other moves, that doesn't mean everything would scale to that statistic.

My point is more along the lines that characters would only scale to the 5-A rating if they can showcase as having the ability to channel more power than the Hollows summoning the Black Hole.
Specterxxxx said:
They don't, even reading the black hole standards, it doesn't have to show that other blatant evidence is enough to get a solid rating.
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With the original text as presented here, it's a summoned object that could be called a black hole and sucks things up. That to me isn't enough for a 5-A rating. With the space-time evidence and other circumstances mentioned in your previous comment, sure it counts, but as it was presented originally, I didn't see it as being valid.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
From your perspective, maybe not. But the way I took it was being hostile and overly defensive regarding a dissenting viewpoint.
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Qawsedf234 said:
A UES means that you can supply an equal amount of power to both "magical" and "physical" statistics. So an 8-C fireball can be instead tuned to a 8-C punch.
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I agree but this had no relevance to what I was saying tho.
Qawsedf234 said:
But if the attack uses a notably larger amount of energy compared to other moves, that doesn't mean everything would scale to that statistic.
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I agree, my point is the piccaro would scale and Cien's at 100% should scale as well as well as the Espadas who can rival his gran rey cero' power. Tho except yammy they would not scale to their physicals was my overall point.
Qawsedf234 said:
My point is more along the lines that characters would only scale to the 5-A rating if they can showcase as having the ability to channel more power than the Hollows summoning the Black Hole..
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I agree too, and which is why I only scaled cien and Co to it.
Qawsedf234 said:
With the original text as presented here, it's a summoned object that could be called a black hole and sucks things up.
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It is also stated to be jet lag black, spins around at high momentum and is very dense and didn't reflect light at all. Very prominent features of black holes. This alone should be enough.
Qawsedf234 said:
That to me isn't enough for a 5-A rating. With the space-time evidence and other circumstances mentioned in your previous comment, sure it counts, but as it was presented originally, I didn't see it as being valid.
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Okay my fault, we might have misunderstood each other. I didn't speak too much on it because I felt everyone read it. But I mostly agree with your points.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Huh? What do you mean?
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Again, Translate misunderstood the sentence.

"I remember Picarros using the black hole against Soya Azashiro."

If this were 5-A or any other tier 5 level, scaling the Espada to it would be seen as a logical fallacy. However, I recall that Byakuya's Senbonzakura was stated to be much stronger than Picarros's. If Picarros's black hole also brought his own raw AP to 5-A, most characters could reach 5-A. Even if only the black hole were at this level, Cien, Yammy, Starrk, Baraggan, Ulquiorra, and Vasto Lord Ichigo would still reach 5-A. Because Cien doesn't mention Picarros's black hole when talking about his strongest arrancar abilities. Cien knows everything in Hueco Mundo.

Therefore, while it could be interpreted as AP, I don't think scaling the Espada to it would be a problem.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Again, Translate misunderstood the sentence.

"I remember Picarros using the black hole against Soya Azashiro."

If this were 5-A or any other tier 5 level, scaling the Espada to it would be seen as a logical fallacy.
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They don't scale to the Espada they scale to the strongest ones with their strongest abilities, yammy in max ressurecion physicals, starkk wolves and baragan respira.
Apollonir.Scale said:
However, I recall that Byakuya's Senbonzakura was stated to be much stronger than Pizarro's.
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When? I mean that would be a helpful scaling seeing Byakuya with Kenpachi overpowered the strongest Espada so they would scale.
Apollonir.Scale said:
If Picarros's black hole also brought his own raw AP to 5-A, most characters could reach 5-A. Even if only the black hole were at this level, Cien, Yammy, Starrk, Baraggan, Ulquiorra, and Vasto Lord Ichigo would still reach 5-A.
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Ulquiorra and vasto lorde ichigo wouldn't. And the others scaling is the entire point.
Apollonir.Scale said:
Because Cien doesn't mention Picarros's black hole when talking about his strongest arrancar abilities. Cien knows everything in Hueco Mundo.
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He doesn't mention vasto lorde ichigo and Ulquiorra either so they don't scale.
Apollonir.Scale said:
Therefore, while it could be interpreted as AP, I don't think scaling the Espada to it would be a problem.
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Again, I am scaling the strongest abilities from the strongest Espadas who narratively dwarf the rest in power. So this isn't even close to an outlier.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Ulquiorra and vasto lorde ichigo wouldn't. And the others scaling is the entire point.
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I'll open the Espada Upgrade CRT and explain why Ulquiorra's Lanza del Relampago is scaled to this. If the characters are 5-A, a 5-A Lanza del Relampago would be great.
Specterxxxx said:
When? I mean that would be a helpful scaling seeing Byakuya with Kenpachi overpowered the strongest Espada so they would scale.
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I remember the phrase used for Byakuya being said by Mayuri. So, it must be at the beginning of the novel. But he wasn't comparing Byakuya's senbonzakura to Picarros's black hole. I remember he was comparing senbonzakura to Picarros's cero.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I'll open the Espada Upgrade CRT and explain why Ulquiorra's Lanza del Relampago is scaled to this. If the characters are 5-A, a 5-A Lanza del Relampago would be great.
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Until you do that I am not addressing it because the exact text doesn't add lanza del relampago. And the piccaro are an anomaly even in the Hueco mondo. I wouldn't suggest a 5A rating btw as the size of the black hole isn't specified however it is clearly visible enough from the circumference of at most 200 piccaro to at least get an upscale from the at least small planetary scale in the black hole creation page.
Apollonir.Scale said:
I remember the phrase used for Byakuya being said by Mayuri. So, it must be at the beginning of the novel. But he wasn't comparing Byakuya's senbonzakura to Picarros's black hole. I remember he was comparing senbonzakura to Picarros's cero.
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All right, maybe I skipped that. I plan to reread the story before making a CRT.
 
Specterxxxx said:
200 piccaro
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If 200 Picarros can form a black hole, and if 200 of them lined up create a 40cm area, then 5-A is possible. Of course, this would only be possible if the black hole were larger than 200 Picarros. It would be great if we could compare their sizes to something specific. If we knew Kid Nel's size, we could measure it by saying it was comparable to Nel.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
If 200 Picarros can form a black hole, and if 200 of them lined up create a 40cm area, then 5-A is possible. Of course, this would only be possible if the black hole were larger than 200 Picarros. It would be great if we could compare their sizes to something specific. If we knew Kid Nel's size, we could measure it by saying it was comparable to Nel.
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So basically it being 5A doesn't have enough justification so I wouldn't propose it.
 
Specterxxxx said:
I don't recall him saying this at 100% besides vasto lorde iirc at 60% it was stated he couldn't beat Cien.
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I misremembered the statement, but it's more like if Rocca copied Ichigo, then it would've been hard for Cien to beat her (sort of).

Edit: Imgur's not working, but it's from the scans on the top Espada's profiles.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I transposed the tiers, but the overall message is the same. 7.8~ Teratons is still 6-B which is what I was trying to say earlier.
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The captains and LTs were sent to kill Ginjo and a potentially rogue Ichigo with the vague knowledge that Ginjo has allies. Even ignoring the Fullbring Amp, the Ichigo they would’ve been sent to take out is an Ichigo with the spiritual energy of pretty much all the captains and lieutenants. It would be stupid for the Gotei to have kept them restricted during this conflict. In the FKT arc they had their restrictions lifted for the Espada and Aizen, and atp the Gotei knows Ichigo beat Aizen. Let alone Ginjo who they also know is relatively strong
 
Jo-Smooth said:
The captains and LTs were sent to kill Ginjo and a potentially rogue Ichigo with the vague knowledge that Ginjo has allies. Even ignoring the Fullbring Amp, the Ichigo they would’ve been sent to take out is an Ichigo with the spiritual energy of pretty much all the captains and lieutenants. It would be stupid for the Gotei to have kept them restricted during this conflict. In the FKT arc they had their restrictions lifted for the Espada and Aizen, and atp the Gotei knows Ichigo beat Aizen. Let alone Ginjo who they also know is relatively strong
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That one is refering to White/Masaki due to the Klub question about Young Isshin having Gentei Kaijo on confirmed.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:


I misremembered the statement, but it's more like if Rocca copied Ichigo, then it would've been hard for Cien to beat her (sort of).

Edit: Imgur's not working, but it's from the scans on the top Espada's profiles.
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Ahh okay I remember that as well, it think it says vasto lorde ichigo powers would have been a nuisance to deal with. Morever Cien physicals is 10 times weaker than the gran Rey cero and it was already stated at 60% that he was comparable to vasto lorde ichigo so ichigo wouldn't scale directly to that attack.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Ahh okay I remember that as well, it think it says vasto lorde ichigo powers would have been a nuisance to deal with. Morever Cien physicals is 10 times weaker than the gran Rey cero and it was already stated at 60% that he was comparable to vasto lorde ichigo so ichigo wouldn't scale directly to that attack.
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Why does him stating that it's difficult to cope with it suggest he can cope without the cero? Was there anything stated that indicated he was talking about coping without the Gran Rey Cero?
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Why does him stating that it's difficult to cope with it suggest he can cope without the cero? Was there anything stated that indicated he was talking about coping without the Gran Rey Cero?
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Huh?

EDIT: I understand you better after rereading your comment, the version of Cien that said that was in some serious injuries because he took his own gran Rey cero back to his body and was weakened by it. Atp any decent strong power was a problem.
 
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whats with people nowdays sending and even making threads abt bleach scaling with YOUTUBE videos asking if its valid or not the hell
 
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