BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Qawsedf234]

that's why it didn't cause damage outside their coverage. The panel explains this but if you want to elaborate much further with earlier panels prior. It is implied to fold space time along with other blatant attributes of black holes so saying it isn't a black hole is you being in denial to be honest.

You didn’t supply that evidence. If it does fold space-time and time it's probably fine, but don't get hostile when you don't present the entire scenario then get mad that I don't know the entire scenario.

Why?

Because that's how UES works. All energy is supplied to the same power. A move only scales if it supplies and equal or greater amount.

Those are not good enough nor do they debunk it

They do both with the evidence presented. You thinking otherwise isn't a valid counter reasoning.

The feat in question isn't reaching 5A

A black hole is 5-A is its 40 centimeters or larger. Like unless it's very tiny they're mostly 5-A in fiction.

 

[Specterxxxx]

You didn’t supply that evidence. If it does fold space-time and time it's probably fine, but don't get hostile when you don't present the entire scenario then get mad that I don't know the entire scenario.

I wasn't hostile or Mad. I was under the impression that you all were much familiar with the novel.

Because that's how UES works. All energy is supplied to the same power. A move only scales if it supplies and equal or greater amount.

But it does tho? Why are we still talking about this irrelevant subject.

They do both with the evidence presented. You thinking otherwise isn't a valid counter reasoning.

They don't, even reading the black hole standards, it doesn't have to show that other blatant evidence is enough to get a solid rating. And the UES argument is pointless and not even worthwhile when we already accept on cases like this in similar fashion to scale.

A black hole is 5-A is its 40 centimeters or larger. Like unless it's very tiny they're mostly 5-A in fiction.

Good then, It doesn't make anything outlier though I don't think it would reach but it most likely would however for the sake default interpretation it could be lower but this doesn't matter for now.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I wasn't hostile or Mad.

From your perspective, maybe not. But the way I took it was being hostile and overly defensive regarding a dissenting viewpoint.

But it does tho? Why are we still talking about this irrelevant subject.

A UES means that you can supply an equal amount of power to both "magical" and "physical" statistics. So an 8-C fireball can be instead tuned to a 8-C punch. But if the attack uses a notably larger amount of energy compared to other moves, that doesn't mean everything would scale to that statistic.

My point is more along the lines that characters would only scale to the 5-A rating if they can showcase as having the ability to channel more power than the Hollows summoning the Black Hole.

They don't, even reading the black hole standards, it doesn't have to show that other blatant evidence is enough to get a solid rating.

With the original text as presented here, it's a summoned object that could be called a black hole and sucks things up. That to me isn't enough for a 5-A rating. With the space-time evidence and other circumstances mentioned in your previous comment, sure it counts, but as it was presented originally, I didn't see it as being valid.

 

[Specterxxxx]

From your perspective, maybe not. But the way I took it was being hostile and overly defensive regarding a dissenting viewpoint.

A UES means that you can supply an equal amount of power to both "magical" and "physical" statistics. So an 8-C fireball can be instead tuned to a 8-C punch.

I agree but this had no relevance to what I was saying tho.

But if the attack uses a notably larger amount of energy compared to other moves, that doesn't mean everything would scale to that statistic.

I agree, my point is the piccaro would scale and Cien's at 100% should scale as well as well as the Espadas who can rival his gran rey cero' power. Tho except yammy they would not scale to their physicals was my overall point.

My point is more along the lines that characters would only scale to the 5-A rating if they can showcase as having the ability to channel more power than the Hollows summoning the Black Hole..

I agree too, and which is why I only scaled cien and Co to it.

With the original text as presented here, it's a summoned object that could be called a black hole and sucks things up.

It is also stated to be jet lag black, spins around at high momentum and is very dense and didn't reflect light at all. Very prominent features of black holes. This alone should be enough.

That to me isn't enough for a 5-A rating. With the space-time evidence and other circumstances mentioned in your previous comment, sure it counts, but as it was presented originally, I didn't see it as being valid.

Okay my fault, we might have misunderstood each other. I didn't speak too much on it because I felt everyone read it. But I mostly agree with your points.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Thoughts?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Huh? What do you mean?

Again, Translate misunderstood the sentence.

"I remember Picarros using the black hole against Soya Azashiro."

If this were 5-A or any other tier 5 level, scaling the Espada to it would be seen as a logical fallacy. However, I recall that Byakuya's Senbonzakura was stated to be much stronger than Picarros's. If Picarros's black hole also brought his own raw AP to 5-A, most characters could reach 5-A. Even if only the black hole were at this level, Cien, Yammy, Starrk, Baraggan, Ulquiorra, and Vasto Lord Ichigo would still reach 5-A. Because Cien doesn't mention Picarros's black hole when talking about his strongest arrancar abilities. Cien knows everything in Hueco Mundo.

Therefore, while it could be interpreted as AP, I don't think scaling the Espada to it would be a problem.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Again, Translate misunderstood the sentence.

"I remember Picarros using the black hole against Soya Azashiro."

If this were 5-A or any other tier 5 level, scaling the Espada to it would be seen as a logical fallacy.

They don't scale to the Espada they scale to the strongest ones with their strongest abilities, yammy in max ressurecion physicals, starkk wolves and baragan respira.

However, I recall that Byakuya's Senbonzakura was stated to be much stronger than Pizarro's.

When? I mean that would be a helpful scaling seeing Byakuya with Kenpachi overpowered the strongest Espada so they would scale.

If Picarros's black hole also brought his own raw AP to 5-A, most characters could reach 5-A. Even if only the black hole were at this level, Cien, Yammy, Starrk, Baraggan, Ulquiorra, and Vasto Lord Ichigo would still reach 5-A.

Ulquiorra and vasto lorde ichigo wouldn't. And the others scaling is the entire point.

Because Cien doesn't mention Picarros's black hole when talking about his strongest arrancar abilities. Cien knows everything in Hueco Mundo.

He doesn't mention vasto lorde ichigo and Ulquiorra either so they don't scale.

Therefore, while it could be interpreted as AP, I don't think scaling the Espada to it would be a problem.

Again, I am scaling the strongest abilities from the strongest Espadas who narratively dwarf the rest in power. So this isn't even close to an outlier.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

vasto lorde ichigo wouldn't.

He doesn't mention vasto lorde ichigo

Ichigo actually would scale since there's a statement from Cien about Vasto Lorde/Full Hollow Ichigo and Aizen being the only ones above him in Hueco Mundo.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Ichigo actually would scale since there's a statement from Cien about Vasto Lorde/Full Hollow Ichigo and Aizen being the only ones above him in Hueco Mundo.

I don't recall him saying this at 100% besides vasto lorde iirc at 60% it was stated he couldn't beat Cien.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Ulquiorra and vasto lorde ichigo wouldn't. And the others scaling is the entire point.

I'll open the Espada Upgrade CRT and explain why Ulquiorra's Lanza del Relampago is scaled to this. If the characters are 5-A, a 5-A Lanza del Relampago would be great.

When? I mean that would be a helpful scaling seeing Byakuya with Kenpachi overpowered the strongest Espada so they would scale.

I remember the phrase used for Byakuya being said by Mayuri. So, it must be at the beginning of the novel. But he wasn't comparing Byakuya's senbonzakura to Picarros's black hole. I remember he was comparing senbonzakura to Picarros's cero.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I'll open the Espada Upgrade CRT and explain why Ulquiorra's Lanza del Relampago is scaled to this. If the characters are 5-A, a 5-A Lanza del Relampago would be great.

Until you do that I am not addressing it because the exact text doesn't add lanza del relampago. And the piccaro are an anomaly even in the Hueco mondo. I wouldn't suggest a 5A rating btw as the size of the black hole isn't specified however it is clearly visible enough from the circumference of at most 200 piccaro to at least get an upscale from the at least small planetary scale in the black hole creation page.

I remember the phrase used for Byakuya being said by Mayuri. So, it must be at the beginning of the novel. But he wasn't comparing Byakuya's senbonzakura to Picarros's black hole. I remember he was comparing senbonzakura to Picarros's cero.

All right, maybe I skipped that. I plan to reread the story before making a CRT.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

200 piccaro

If 200 Picarros can form a black hole, and if 200 of them lined up create a 40cm area, then 5-A is possible. Of course, this would only be possible if the black hole were larger than 200 Picarros. It would be great if we could compare their sizes to something specific. If we knew Kid Nel's size, we could measure it by saying it was comparable to Nel.

 

[Specterxxxx]

If 200 Picarros can form a black hole, and if 200 of them lined up create a 40cm area, then 5-A is possible. Of course, this would only be possible if the black hole were larger than 200 Picarros. It would be great if we could compare their sizes to something specific. If we knew Kid Nel's size, we could measure it by saying it was comparable to Nel.

So basically it being 5A doesn't have enough justification so I wouldn't propose it.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

So basically it being 5A doesn't have enough justification so I wouldn't propose it.

Then Low 5-B is also good

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I don't recall him saying this at 100% besides vasto lorde iirc at 60% it was stated he couldn't beat Cien.

I misremembered the statement, but it's more like if Rocca copied Ichigo, then it would've been hard for Cien to beat her (sort of).

Edit: Imgur's not working, but it's from the scans on the top Espada's profiles.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

I transposed the tiers, but the overall message is the same. 7.8~ Teratons is still 6-B which is what I was trying to say earlier.

The captains and LTs were sent to kill Ginjo and a potentially rogue Ichigo with the vague knowledge that Ginjo has allies. Even ignoring the Fullbring Amp, the Ichigo they would’ve been sent to take out is an Ichigo with the spiritual energy of pretty much all the captains and lieutenants. It would be stupid for the Gotei to have kept them restricted during this conflict. In the FKT arc they had their restrictions lifted for the Espada and Aizen, and atp the Gotei knows Ichigo beat Aizen. Let alone Ginjo who they also know is relatively strong

 

[Crobatman44]

The captains and LTs were sent to kill Ginjo and a potentially rogue Ichigo with the vague knowledge that Ginjo has allies. Even ignoring the Fullbring Amp, the Ichigo they would’ve been sent to take out is an Ichigo with the spiritual energy of pretty much all the captains and lieutenants. It would be stupid for the Gotei to have kept them restricted during this conflict. In the FKT arc they had their restrictions lifted for the Espada and Aizen, and atp the Gotei knows Ichigo beat Aizen. Let alone Ginjo who they also know is relatively strong

That one is refering to White/Masaki due to the Klub question about Young Isshin having Gentei Kaijo on confirmed.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I misremembered the statement, but it's more like if Rocca copied Ichigo, then it would've been hard for Cien to beat her (sort of).

Edit: Imgur's not working, but it's from the scans on the top Espada's profiles.

Ahh okay I remember that as well, it think it says vasto lorde ichigo powers would have been a nuisance to deal with. Morever Cien physicals is 10 times weaker than the gran Rey cero and it was already stated at 60% that he was comparable to vasto lorde ichigo so ichigo wouldn't scale directly to that attack.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Ahh okay I remember that as well, it think it says vasto lorde ichigo powers would have been a nuisance to deal with. Morever Cien physicals is 10 times weaker than the gran Rey cero and it was already stated at 60% that he was comparable to vasto lorde ichigo so ichigo wouldn't scale directly to that attack.

Why does him stating that it's difficult to cope with it suggest he can cope without the cero? Was there anything stated that indicated he was talking about coping without the Gran Rey Cero?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Why does him stating that it's difficult to cope with it suggest he can cope without the cero? Was there anything stated that indicated he was talking about coping without the Gran Rey Cero?

Huh?

EDIT: I understand you better after rereading your comment, the version of Cien that said that was in some serious injuries because he took his own gran Rey cero back to his body and was weakened by it. Atp any decent strong power was a problem.

 

[AppleLord]

I SOLVED THE 2 GOLD FISH - HELL ARC

Aizen and Yhwach were brothers and Adaneyus will be the villain in Hell Arc. Don’t quote me on that. But I’ll die believing this to be the case.

The Gold Fish - Essay

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[KazuiK]

Tafuq

 

[Qawsedf234]

It would be stupid for the Gotei to have kept them restricted during this conflict.

I wasn't talking about Lost Agent Arc Ichigo though.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I wasn't talking about Lost Agent Arc Ichigo though.

90% sure this was supposed to be for me or something lol

 

[AppleLord]

Tafuq

read. It will make sense reading it next to the chapter. Kubo is a genius of foreshadowing

 

[AppleLord]

Bleach Earth and Soul Society are NOT in different solar systems - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

This is debunked: Proof: This clip is from story mode from Renji's training before Orihime is kidnapped by Ulquiorra in Arrancar Arc.

comicvine.gamespot.com

Bleach Rebirth of Souls contains Earth in the night sky of Soul Society in gameplay! cosmology is just a Solar System since Kubo created all this new content for this game.

 

[Deceived3596]

Multi Spiritual Hill Level

 

[DragoZeroNova]

"Senbonzakura, lend me your Bankai, this is 9-B levels of Kinetic Energy I need to stop" - Fraud of the Sixth Division

downgrade them to T9 now

 

[Crobatman44]

Telescopes in Bleach must be wild.

 

[AppleLord]

Telescopes in Bleach must be wild.

Do they have any?

 

[Soulking22334]

is this a total wank

 

[PedjaTarzan]

whats with people nowdays sending and even making threads abt bleach scaling with YOUTUBE videos asking if its valid or not the hell

 

[Qawsedf234]

is this a total wank

He calls Ichigo Low Outerversal because he has Fate Manipulation which is supernatural.

So yes, though that should've been obvious.

 

[Crobatman44]

whats with people nowdays sending and even making threads abt bleach scaling with YOUTUBE videos asking if its valid or not the hell

What No cour 4 trailers or Arc7Kuroi and co making higher quality CRT's does to the people here.
We revert back to the stone age.

 

[Soulking22334]

He calls Ichigo Low Outerversal because he has Fate Manipulation which is supernatural.

So yes, though that should've been obvious.

not this but the cosmolgy part

 

[Qawsedf234]

not this but the cosmolgy part

You'd have to give a time stamp

 

[Soulking22334]

You'd have to give a time stamp

from 4:30 to 5:00

 

[Qawsedf234]

from 4:30 to 5:00

Lmao no

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Is anyone thinking of opening a CRT soon? I'm thinking of opening a CRT.

 

[Crobatman44]

The fabled Ulquiorra downgrade,
His res shall no longer upscale to baseline High 6-A.