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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Kenpachi vs Ichigo is pretty straightforward in terms of explaining more Reiatsu = more everything.
The characthers being able to resist their own reiatsu pressure is another. We see or know what happen in the few case they don't, like SS arc bankai ichigo being crushed by his own RC overtime, Yama could die just by being in bankai too long and bankai Zaraki can't handle his own pressure and **** up his body.

beside those extreme cases ,All other characthers can handle their reiatsu and AP without big issues.
 
I believe the fear aura is layered to at least three layers even before the As nodt layering. Luitenants can induce fear on lower seated ranks and regular soul reapers that have been trained to fight hollows and many have the ability to resist the passive fear from hollows while most regular souls and those with decent reiyorku can't. Then the captains and higher can also induce fear on luitenants and every other seat.

Tho in most cases the fear aura is resisted by experience and training and other factors.

Also, bykuaya's will power to resist As nodt should be something all captains can do. As they are all trained with similar mentality regardless of personality, with centuries of battle experience and massive supernatural will power. Though, they might not fully scale to As nodt full fear hax but they should at least scale to the ones he used without going voltstanding.
 
Is it me or shouldn't the kido cannon feat of obliterating the kyogoku in memories of nobody be calculated with Fullbring Shikai and Bankai ichigo scaling to it? From the death save the strawberry novel, it goes in depth with the amount of soul reapers adding their spiritual pressure to give ichigo (basically every shinigami in the gotei 13 which is like thousands) and it is also says the amount of power the blade has is directly proportional to the power ichigo would receive. While the kido cannon only required hundreds of soul reapers which is massively below the gotei 13 amplified blade power.

Calculating the obliteration of the kyogoku which has a star-earth system should yield solar system to multi solar system AP and should be used as a supporting Calc for the Gremmy outerspace feat. Should I make a CRT regarding this or?
 
Calculating the obliteration of the kyogoku which has a star-earth system should yield solar system to multi solar system AP
Destroying a single solar system will always be 4-B unless the star in question is a Neutron Star.

Additionally I recently watched the movie, the Kido Cannon didn't one shot the Valley of Screams, but weaken the dimensional walls which allowed the Dangai to start eating it. So I'm not sure if you can even scale it to an AP figure.
 
Destroying a single solar system will always be 4-B unless the star in question is a Neutron Star.
Ahh okay. It's still a supporting Calc since ichigo is massively superior to that feat. As his power up comes from thousands of people.
Additionally I recently watched the movie, the Kido Cannon didn't one shot the Valley of Screams,
Doesn't have to but the entire dimension was already stated to be disintegrating in the span of three minutes, a complete ten minute destruction time frame still makes it 4B.
but weaken the dimensional walls which allowed the Dangai to start eating it. So I'm not sure if you can even scale it to an AP figure.
This is not what happened btw, I just watched the movie hours ago after reading death saves the strawberry. You can scale it to an AP figure because it follows destruction feats. The only reason why destroying the valley of screams didn't stop the merge was because they fired it too late since ichigo and Co were there.

EDIT: It's a disintegration feat so would that yield higher or lower?
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This is not what happened btw
They shot the cannon, the firebird hit the dimension, and right after, a large crack formed that allowed the Dangai to seep in. Rangiku then confirms that the dimension is collapsing and will soon vanish. I'm just not sure if this is an AP feat. It didn't even bust the dimension itself.
 
If Bleach ever gets a 2-D Versus-style, I want this to be the roster:

Base Roster (13 Characters - Soul Society Arc)

  • Ichigo Kurosaki (Shikai/Bankai form)
  • Uryu Ishida
  • Chad (Yasutora Sado)
  • Orihime Inoue (add costumes from other arcs?)
  • Byakuya Kuchiki
  • Renji Abarai
  • Toshiro Hitsugaya
  • Kenpachi Zaraki
  • Yoruichi Shihoin
  • Sosuke Aizen (pre-Hogyoku) (secret character)
  • Gin Ichimaru
  • Kaname Tosen
  • Rukia Kuchiki

DLC Season Passes

Season 1 - Arrancar Arc (6 characters):

  • Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
  • Ulquiorra Cifer
  • Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck
  • Starrk/Lilynette
  • Barragan Louisenbairn
  • Yammy Llargo

Season 2 - Vizard & Captains:

  • Shinji Hirako
  • Kisuke Urahara
  • Shunsui Kyoraku
  • Jushiro Ukitake
  • Mayuri Kurotsuchi
  • Sajin Komamura

Season 3 - Fullbring Arc:

  • Ichigo (Fullbring form)
  • Tsukishima Shukuro
  • Ginjo Kugo
  • Jackie Tristan
  • Riruka Dokugamine
  • Yukio Hans Vorarlberna

Season 4 - Thousand Year Blood War:

  • Yhwach
  • Jugram Haschwalth
  • Bambietta Basterbine
  • As Nodt
  • Gremmy Thoumeaux
  • Lille Barro

What characters would you had chosen? 🤔
 
If Bleach ever gets a 2-D Versus-style, I want this to be the roster:

Base Roster (13 Characters - Soul Society Arc)

  • Ichigo Kurosaki (Shikai/Bankai form)
  • Uryu Ishida
  • Chad (Yasutora Sado)
  • Orihime Inoue (add costumes from other arcs?)
  • Byakuya Kuchiki
  • Renji Abarai
  • Toshiro Hitsugaya
  • Kenpachi Zaraki
  • Yoruichi Shihoin
  • Sosuke Aizen (pre-Hogyoku) (secret character)
  • Gin Ichimaru
  • Kaname Tosen
  • Rukia Kuchiki

DLC Season Passes

Season 1 - Arrancar Arc (6 characters):

  • Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
  • Ulquiorra Cifer
  • Nelliel Tu Odelschwanck
  • Starrk/Lilynette
  • Barragan Louisenbairn
  • Yammy Llargo

Season 2 - Vizard & Captains:

  • Shinji Hirako
  • Kisuke Urahara
  • Shunsui Kyoraku
  • Jushiro Ukitake
  • Mayuri Kurotsuchi
  • Sajin Komamura

Season 3 - Fullbring Arc:

  • Ichigo (Fullbring form)
  • Tsukishima Shukuro
  • Ginjo Kugo
  • Jackie Tristan
  • Riruka Dokugamine
  • Yukio Hans Vorarlberna

Season 4 - Thousand Year Blood War:

  • Yhwach
  • Jugram Haschwalth
  • Bambietta Basterbine
  • As Nodt
  • Gremmy Thoumeaux
  • Lille Barro

What characters would you had chosen? 🤔
No Bazz-B or Askin?
 
They shot the cannon, the firebird hit the dimension, and right after, a large crack formed that allowed the Dangai to seep in.
Because the dimension was getting destroyed? Is there any statement implying that the Dangai was the one destroying the kyogoku? Cause the only reason the Dangai's koryu could even enter the kyogoku in the first place was because the kyogoku was created in the Dangai which is a very rare instance. Usually kyogoku exists inside the garganta and the kido cannon's purpose is to destroy kyogoku even those outside the Dangai. Also ukitake also makes a statement that says the cannon could cause moderate damage to both worlds
Rangiku then confirms that the dimension is collapsing and will soon vanish.
Toshiro says this yes.
I'm just not sure if this is an AP feat. It didn't even bust the dimension itself.
I still believe the many statements regarding the kido cannon should give it an AP rating at least because other kyogokus even bigger exists outside the Dangai and the kido cannon can be used to destroy those ones as well. So idk.
 
Btw,should White/Masaki get a crt downgrade at some point given the Isshin Gentei Kaijo Klub question?
I mean the main issue is that 80% of 4-A is still 4-A. Unless you're saying the 80% restriction and the bacl attack was much more damaging.
 
I mean the main issue is that 80% of 4-A is still 4-A. Unless you're saying the 80% restriction and the bacl attack was much more damaging.
White and Masaki are currently 6-B from young Isshin being 6-B (unless you think that would be changed.) Also, what he means by downgrade is the values, not the tier.
Example: 38.94 TT to 7.788 TT or 1.266 EF to 253.2 PF
 
White and Masaki are currently 6-B from young Isshin being 6-B (unless you think that would be changed.) Also, what he means by downgrade is the values, not the tier.
I transposed the tiers, but the overall message is the same. 7.8~ Teratons is still 6-B which is what I was trying to say earlier.
 
I'm actually downgrading two of the fullbringers right now due to Gentei Kaijo and they're just going from High 6-A (2.2-4.4 Exatons) to High 6-A (443-887 Petatons)
 
Yeah i know the tier would remain the same,it was more so a statistics values change.
Thought it was worth bringing up since no one has mentioned it yet in this thread iirc.
 
I was checking out some sawfy raws and I came across this specific page, it basically shows the combined might of the piccaro (for those who don't know piccaro are a group of hollow children that are known to play around across realms) being able to create something that is likened a black hole and is implied to be one. I had it translated but I would appreciate if any person fluent on Japanese can share their opinion on the text.
 
I was checking out some sawfy raws and I came across this specific page, it basically shows the combined might of the piccaro (for those who don't know piccaro are a group of hollow children that are known to play around across realms) being able to create something that is likened a black hole and is implied to be one. I had it translated but I would appreciate if any person fluent on Japanese can share their opinion on the text.
Yes, it's true that it created a black hole. But it's probably just listed as hax. It's not a black hole big enough to give it an ap scale.
 
Yes, it's true that it created a black hole. But it's probably just listed as hax. It's not a black hole big enough to give it an ap scale.
What are you talking about? It was created from their spiritual pressure and was giving soya problems. It is fair enough to conclude that is an AP scale not hax like what even makes this hax.
 
What are you talking about? It was created from their spiritual pressure and was giving soya problems. It is fair enough to conclude that is an AP scale not hax like what even makes this hax.
Are we listing everything done with spiritual pressure as AP? Even if that were the case, what I'm saying is, we can't make characters 5-A through the black hole Picarros created. Or whatever tier is given for creating a black hole. In a possible profile, we would simply have added the Black Hole Creation hax.

I recall that when Soya used it against Azashiro, it wasn't to deal damage, but to draw him towards her.
 
Are we listing everything done with spiritual pressure as AP?
Afaik Spiritual Pressure is treated as a UES, so the more you have the more all your stats increase. Now it being likened to a Black Hole is not the same as it actually being one, additionally creating a Black Hole only scales to other stats if you can prove a similar or greater amount of energy was used in comparison.

For the feat, just from glancing at it, it seems like an unrealistic Black hole which wouldn't be an AP feat.
 
Are we listing everything done with spiritual pressure as AP?
No but we are listing any quantifiable energy transformed from another energy to be AP. That goes against the very definition of hax. This is saying Blanks creating the valley of screams isn't AP.
Even if that were the case, what I'm saying is, we can't make characters 5-A through the black hole Picarros created.
It wouldn't be 5A tbh but give me a valid reason why it wouldn't be valid.
Or whatever tier is given for creating a black hole. In a possible profile, we would simply have added the Black Hole Creation hax.
Again you haven't explained why it's hax.
I recall that when Soya used it against Azashiro, it wasn't to deal damage, but to draw him towards her.
Soya is Azashiro lmao, bruh doesn't even know what he is talking about. The piccaro created the black hole unintentionally as a defense against soya and that started absorbing the resihi soya was merging with in the world of yhe living and stopped him from merging with it.
 
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Afaik Spiritual Pressure is treated as a UES, so the more you have the more all your stats increase. Now it being likened to a Black Hole is not the same as it actually being one,
it follows the black hole standards in this wiki and the fact that It is stated "it won't be surprising if it was called a black hole" is another indicator at the several evidences of it being one.
additionally creating a Black Hole only scales to other stats if you can prove a similar or greater amount of energy was used in comparison.
It took over 50 hollows to do it, Cien at 100 is more powerful than the all the piccaro and anyone who scales to cien should scale to it.
For the feat, just from glancing at it, it seems like an unrealistic Black hole which wouldn't be an AP feat.
Reasons please.
 
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I was checking out some sawfy raws and I came across this specific page, it basically shows the combined might of the piccaro (for those who don't know piccaro are a group of hollow children that are known to play around across realms) being able to create something that is likened a black hole and is implied to be one. I had it translated but I would appreciate if any person fluent on Japanese can share their opinion on the text.
BLEACH Spirits Are Forever With You II

「……『ブラックホール』!」

そして、彼らに囲まれた範囲から、完全に空気の流れが止まり――

一瞬の間を置いて、中心に黒い球体が生み出される。

ブラックホールと呼ばれて回転しつつも違和感がない、光を反射しない漆黒の、

ありとあらゆる霊子を吸いこみ始めた。

霊圧を全て『己の中に』吸いこまれて消滅していたかもしれない。

対照的に、ピカロに囲まれた範囲以外では、何一つ変化は起こらず、

自分達を境目として、現世を隔絶してその内部を食い尽くす。

『それ』は、凄まじい勢いで、仮に浮遊霊や虚などがいれば

気がつかぬうちに空気ごと吸いこまれていた。

平穏そのものといった空気が漂っていた。

English:

BLEACH: Spirits Are Forever With You II

“…Black Hole!”

In the next instant, the very air within the enclosed space around them came to a complete halt. Then, at the center, a pitch-black sphere was born.

It spun as though it were the very definition of a “black hole,” a mass of darkness that reflected no light and devoured everything it touched. Without hesitation, it began to draw in every particle of reishi around it.

Perhaps every trace of spiritual pressure had already been swallowed whole, vanishing into the abyss within.

And yet, outside the circle where Picaro had them trapped, not a single change could be seen. It was as though the world itself had been cut off at the boundary of that space, its interior being consumed from within.

The thing pulled with terrifying force—had there been wandering souls or Hollows nearby, they would have been dragged in along with the very air, gone before they even realized it.

Still, beyond its reach, the air remained calm, as tranquil as if nothing at all were happening.
 
it follows the black hole standards in this wiki and the fact that It is stated "it won't be surprising if it was called a black hole" is another indicator at the several evidences of it being one.
I'm not seeing it fold space-time or consuming all aspects of the environment. Eating Reishi in a limited area isn't enough for a Black Hole designation.
It took over 50 hollows to do it, Cien at 100 is more powerful than the all the piccaro ams anyone who scales to cien should scale to it.
You'd still need to provide a UES scaling block for it. Being more powerful on its own isn't enough, its the use of relatively more energy for an attack.

Reasons please.
I listed my reasons previously. Also 5-A Hollows is a very suspect rating, even for Arrancar tier people.
 
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