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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Do you guys think Yhwach could prevent and negate Mugestu's black blade like he did with the True Bankai of Ichigo? Or Mugetsu being just like pure energy blast, can't really be stopped by Yhwach's Almighty?

The “threads” swirling up around her became black and began weaving something in front of Roka. It was a black human shape. In each of those threads, far thinner than a strand of hair, an extraordinary amount of reishi was compressedm and as tens, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, and even hundreds of millions of those threads gathered, an immense “blade” was spun into existence in Hueco Mundo.
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Mon haut en Bleach
Specterxxxx said:
Including cyfow, I guess it would be

  1. Prime soul king
  2. Ichigo
  3. Yhwach
  4. Aizen
  5. Kenpachi Zaraki
  6. Ikomikimodoe
  7. Hikone
  8. Ginjou
  9. Roka (safwy)
  10. Jugram
  11. Uryu
  12. Ichibei
  13. Senjumaru, Tenjiro, Oetsu, hikifune
  14. Gerard
  15. Mature Toshiro
  16. Renji(lowkey don't see how he is stronger than yamamoto tho)
  17. Yamamoto
  18. Gremmy
  19. Pernida
  20. Urahara
Random shot at the dark, this would be my top 20, I think it's an accurate ranking unless I missed anybody else
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no

Zarki is not in top 20 to high toshiro Byakuya are stronger than Zaraki + CYFOW is not canon with the anime
 
GinDan said:
Zarki is not in top 20 to high toshiro Byakuya are stronger than Zaraki + CYFOW is not canon with the anime
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If you say Byakuya>Adult Toshiro ice>Zaraki, we are not measuring Byakuya's AP from Adult Toshiro.

Other than that, Gerard already overpowered Kid Toshiro and Byakuya, and Zaraki split a stronger Gerard form in two.

I also agree with Adult Toshiro>TYBW Bankai Zaraki.
 
GinDan said:
Mon haut en Bleach

no

Zarki is not in top 20 to high toshiro Byakuya are stronger than Zaraki + CYFOW is not canon with the anime
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Cyfow is still canon to the anime, only difference is with kubo changing his mind about certain inconsequential events in that happened in tybw manga that affected the novel.
Apollonir.Scale said:
If you say Byakuya>Adult Toshiro ice>Zaraki, we are not measuring Byakuya's AP from Adult Toshiro.

Other than that, Gerard already overpowered Kid Toshiro and Byakuya, and Zaraki split a stronger Gerard form in two.

I also agree with Adult Toshiro>TYBW Bankai Zaraki.
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Even if you used tybw, Kenpachi was completely beyond gerard's level. They weren't even relative at all and kenpachi was even continuing to dominate even after gerard evolved iirc. Plus zaraki's power was still growing in that fight.

Bankai zaraki is still a lot stronger than adult toshiro even manga wise. With cyfow he becomes top 5 tho
 
Pernida instant one shot Zaraki
Mayuri destroy Zaraki
Valkyrie destroy Zaraki
Zaraki go Bankai and get destroyed by VS Valkyrie :LOL:

Even against Gremmy Zaraki ,Zaraki didn't win it's just Gremmy was stupid. Kenpachi didn't land an attack to actually defeat Gremmy.

The Wank Zaraki is high here. Even in CYFOW if i remember Meninas is equal to Zaraki physical strength
 
GinDan said:
The Wank Zaraki is high here. Even in CYFOW if i remember Meninas is equal to Zaraki physical strength
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Zaraki is a strong brick in a franchise that has a lot of BS abilities. Him having incredibly high Reiatsu doesn't mean he wouldn't be folded by Hax, it just means he can overpower and kill people before their powers have time to go off in some cases.

Like we rate Zaraki as having higher AP than Yamamoto, but that doesn't change the fact that Yamamoto's bankai probably just vaporizes him. With Gerard its the same thing, he was physically stronger but the Miracle isn’t an easy power to just brick through.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Like we rate Zaraki as having higher AP than Yamamoto, but that doesn't change the fact that Yamamoto's bankai probably just vaporizes him. With Gerard its the same thing, he was physically stronger but the Miracle isn’t an easy power to just brick through.
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Zaraki probably cooks yama with the kendo technique he used on nnoitora tbh...js
 
Also, I just checked renji's profile cause i was planning on a tournament match up between GOH and Bleach 4A tiers and his abilities hasn't been updated yet even Senjumaru's. Is anyone planning on that soon? I could make a crt for that when I am less busy this week.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Cyfow is still canon to the anime, only difference is with kubo changing his mind about certain inconsequential events in that happened in tybw manga that affected the novel.

Even if you used tybw, Kenpachi was completely beyond gerard's level. They weren't even relative at all and kenpachi was even continuing to dominate even after gerard evolved iirc. Plus zaraki's power was still growing in that fight.

Bankai zaraki is still a lot stronger than adult toshiro even manga wise. With cyfow he becomes top 5 tho
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Doesn't Gerard become superior to the person who always outshines him with his Miracle schrift? I remember it like this. After Zaraki cut him in half, he got 2 more power ups.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Kubo says he doubts he could in the tybw, CFYOW Zaraki would eat Gerard
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IIRC, that statement wasn't really clear if Zaraki could physically destroy it. If he did, he would've beaten Gerard, but he wasn't able to. I just thought it meant you had to use other means.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
You’re asserting a context that’s non-existent. “Had he been capable of such” doesn’t imply he wasn’t or was. It’s a non answer
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If you read the sentence "John could get into the building by jumping the fence. Had he been capable of such."

You wouldn't read that as John being able to jump the fence, but lacking the ability to. I don't see the statement supporting Kenny being able to kill Gerard, but stating he wouldn't be able to.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If you read the sentence "John could get into the building by jumping the fence. Had he been capable of such."

You wouldn't read that as John being able to jump the fence, but lacking the ability to. I don't see the statement supporting Kenny being able to kill Gerard, but stating he wouldn't be able to.
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Well, Kenny was also powering down, so it could be referring to the fact Kenpachi wasn't at full power by the point anyone could've pointed out the weakness
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If you read the sentence "John could get into the building by jumping the fence. Had he been capable of such."

You wouldn't read that as John being able to jump the fence, but lacking the ability to. I don't see the statement supporting Kenny being able to kill Gerard, but stating he wouldn't be able to.
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This is how I read it too, it's a basic counterfactual statement, the mere inclusion of "had he been capable of doing so" already implies that he was incapable of it.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If you read the sentence "John could get into the building by jumping the fence. Had he been capable of such."

You wouldn't read that as John being able to jump the fence, but lacking the ability to. I don't see the statement supporting Kenny being able to kill Gerard, but stating he wouldn't be able to.
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Not at all. Although, you seem to be mistaken at my stance. I don’t think the statement supports or refutes the notion of Kenny being able to kill Gerard. Because it’s a non-answer. Once again, Kubo’s answer neither confirms nor denies Kenpachi’s capacity to perform the feat.

For example: “He would get an A+, had he passed the test.” All this does is set up the condition for getting an A+, it doesn’t actually make a claim on whether or not he passed. In other words, you can read Kubo’s answer as “If Zaraki could destroy the core, he could kill Gerard.” Whether or not he could isn’t answered in that statement.
 
I think what everybody isn't understanding atp, is that in bankai, zaraki's powers were drastically rising in seconds. He went from being able to moderately damage god size gerard albeit he was blocking with his shield, to straight up cleaving him in half in volstanding. We also know he wasn't completely using all his power because yachiru was holding back some of it because his body couldn't handle it. Kenpachi most likely had the power to destroy his cross, however the power he needed to destroy it couldn't be handled by his body. It is even possible his reiyorku didn't even increase in cyfow but rather his body became more durable enough to use more reaitsu in the 6 months time that he could have trained.

So yes, Adult toshiro is clearly not on bankai zaraki's level and zaraki can most likely destroy the cross if his body could handle the continual increase in power yachiru was releasing for him.
 
Specterxxxx said:
I think what everybody isn't understanding atp, is that in bankai, zaraki's powers were drastically rising in seconds. He went from being able to moderately damage god size gerard albeit he was blocking with his shield, to straight up cleaving him in half in volstanding. We also know he wasn't completely using all his power because yachiru was holding back some of it because his body couldn't handle it. Kenpachi most likely had the power to destroy his cross, however the power he needed to destroy it couldn't be handled by his body. It is even possible his reiyorku didn't even increase in cyfow but rather his body became more durable enough to use more reaitsu in the 6 months time that he could have trained.

So yes, Adult toshiro is clearly not on bankai zaraki's level and zaraki can most likely destroy the cross if his body could handle the continual increase in power yachiru was releasing for him.
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I think a guidebook stated that Gerard gains power equal to the damage it receives, but I agree Zaraki can increase its power as well, overall it's hard to say what Kubo meant and I agree with @Arc7Kuroi it is a non-answer.

But I wouldn't be surprised either that not even Zaraki can destroy it, Gerard is likely one of the most important part of the Soul King.
 
Is there actually any canon confirmation that Gremmy is the Soul King's brain? I see a lot of people saying it like it’s a fact, but I’ve never found any solid source backing that up.
 
We're never given any explicit confirmation, I believe. But we do have some pretty strong implicit indications of Gremmy's Brain being a Soul King fragment in CFYOW. If I recall correctly, Ikomikidomoe was trying to devour the Soul King fragments within Hikone, and decided to initially aim for his head. And we know from the prior context that Gremmy's Brain is being housed within Hikone to act as a stabilizer to his paradoxical existence - It seems pretty likely that if a character with knowledge of the fact that Hikone houses several Soul King fragments, specifically targeted a part of his body with potentially the largest of the fragments by size, could be indication to the idea it is a Soul King fragment.

There are also other supporting statements but I don't remember them off the topic of my head. I definitely need to sit down one of these days and read through CFYOW again.
 
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*Implied
 
Just noticed something, shouldn't nemu be given mayuri as part of his standard equipment? He has literally never engaged in any fight in the canon series without her. In some cases she is a shield even.
 
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