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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

SilentBob34 said:
I think this episode confirms that Almighty resonated amped Uryu and VS+Sklaverei Uryu are indeed far stronger than basic VS Uryu and base Uryu. I think it solidly puts Renji on the level of sealed Shikai RG though
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Yeah not really. This episode did nothing to even comment on if the Almighty resonance is different than Uryu’s power now, in fact all the resonance did was allow Uryu to unlock these powers. So no.

Either way Bankai Renji is just weaker than Bankai Shutara still anyway. So there’s nothing to really cope about. He’s just a lot closer to her in power because of his feats this episode.

Although for any who still aren’t convinced, Shutara likely didn’t go fully all out in Bankai, since it’s implied if she did she’d bring drastic harm to the realms. So Uryu is scaling to a more casual Bankai Shutara anyhow.

Edit: Askin is about to put Ichigo in a body bag
 
Either uryu got short time special amp during fight with senjumaru.

Or he just one shotted shut down senjumaru and upscales from renji. He doesn’t scale to senjumaru at all.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Yeah not really. This episode did nothing to even comment on if the Almighty resonance is different than Uryu’s power now, in fact all the resonance did was allow Uryu to unlock these powers. So no.

Either way Bankai Renji is just weaker than Bankai Shutara still anyway. So there’s nothing to really cope about. He’s just a lot closer to her in power because of his feats this episode.

Although for any who still aren’t convinced, Shutara likely didn’t go fully all out in Bankai, since it’s implied if she did she’d bring drastic harm to the realms. So Uryu is scaling to a more casual Bankai Shutara anyhow.

Edit: Askin is about to put Ichigo in a body bag
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Everything points to it though. The red eyes, his powers going out of control, his VS wings being extremely unstable. Sure it unlocked his power but it could’ve given him a temporary massive boost along with it.

I’m not ready for the Ichigo and Askin Scene, still praying he doesn’t get dropped lol
 
Adam1396 said:
Either uryu got short time special amp during fight with senjumaru.

Or he just one shotted shut down senjumaru and upscales from renji. He doesn’t scale to senjumaru at all.
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Lmao no

SilentBob34 said:
Everything points to it though. The red eyes, his powers going out of control, his VS wings being extremely unstable. Sure it unlocked his power but it could’ve given him a temporary massive boost along with it.

I’m not ready for the Ichigo and Askin Scene, still praying he doesn’t get dropped lol
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They could reveal it was sumn with the Mimihagi, the eye on his right hand for his Vollstandig. But either way: Bankai Renji is slightly stronger than base Uryu, who is only slightly weaker than the Bankai Shutara he fought. Aka Renji is just him.

Edit: Askin is just gonna do it.
 
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Blallooo said:
Why can't we just accept Renji is that guy instead of assuming things ?
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There’s still a lot of TYBW to be animated, plenty of information to be revealed in episodes and blu ray booklets and Klub outside. So I agree, people can stop coping based upon information we have zero knowledge on atm and just take everything in stride.

But anyway, why do you guys think Uryu despises Renji 👀 since we see Uryu explicitly aim for his soul organs in their fight while against Ichigo it was obvious he intentionally shot not to kill (the reference to how he defeated Mayuri making that obvious)?
 
Btw with how Renji is being shown to use new techniques for his True Bankai. You guys think we’ll see Byakuya use an upgraded version of the Hakuteiken against Vollständig 2nd Form Gerard? Like I always felt that it was a shame that we never saw Byakuya use Hakuteiken again. Even in the manga he only used a new version of Senkei and not Shukei.

Like with how Gerard now has a cross/core weakness. You think they’ll have Byakuya destroy Gerard’s core with a new Hakuteiken? Like going by how Renji now has a new technique that’s leagues above his normal Bankai stats I could honestly see this happening in the Gerard fight now.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
There’s still a lot of TYBW to be animated, plenty of information to be revealed in episodes and blu ray booklets and Klub outside. So I agree, people can stop coping based upon information we have zero knowledge on atm and just take everything in stride.

But anyway, why do you guys think Uryu despises Renji 👀 since we see Uryu explicitly aim for his soul organs in their fight while against Ichigo it was obvious he intentionally shot not to kill (the reference to how he defeated Mayuri making that obvious)?
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I think it's more of a case of Uryu holding more sentiment for Ichigo tham Renji. Plus Lille Barro was in the tower not to far, so he needed to really make it look real
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
I think it's more of a case of Uryu holding more sentiment for Ichigo tham Renji. Plus Lille Barro was in the tower not to far, so he needed to really make it look real
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Quite literally more of them were watching the Ichigo fight, and explicitly Jugram was. So I don’t think it’s a case of “oh gotta show off for Lille”, when those conditions were far more present against Ichigo. And literally no one is within earshot to hear Uryu say he despises Renji either. Plus tmk, the five Quincy got assigned to the five cities.

Peter1129 said:
Btw with how Renji is being shown to use new techniques for his True Bankai. You guys think we’ll see Byakuya use an upgraded version of the Hakuteiken against Vollständig 2nd Form Gerard? Like I always felt that it was a shame that we never saw Byakuya use Hakuteiken again. Even in the manga he only used a new version of Senkei and not Shukei.

Like with how Gerard now has a cross/core weakness. You think they’ll have Byakuya destroy Gerard’s core with a new Hakuteiken? Like going by how Renji now has a new technique that’s leagues above his normal Bankai stats I could honestly see this happening in the Gerard fight now.
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They better bring that form back. Byakuya never using that form again in the manga was criminal. I think they will
 
How will we handle characters potentially scaling to 4-A? Like every member of the Gotei 13 is pretty explicitly below unsealed Senjumaru and True Shikai Ichigo, so it seems weird for Renji of all people to potentially scale to that level via this Uryu fight.
 
ObberGobb said:
How will we handle characters potentially scaling to 4-A? Like every member of the Gotei 13 is pretty explicitly below unsealed Senjumaru and True Shikai Ichigo, so it seems weird for Renji of all people to potentially scale to that level via this Uryu fight.
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Truly we need to wait and see how the scaling goes. Since with Renji currently dead, idk how the start of the Gerard fight is even going to go. In the manga Renji and Byakuya beat Gerard up, but that’s hard to do when Renji is KOed. But for what we have seen with Renji vs Uryu, they do make it abundantly clear that Renji just performs worse against Uryu than Shutara. Meaning there’s nothing contradictory about Bankai Renji being relative atm.
 
ObberGobb said:
How will we handle characters potentially scaling to 4-A? Like every member of the Gotei 13 is pretty explicitly below unsealed Senjumaru and True Shikai Ichigo, so it seems weird for Renji of all people to potentially scale to that level via this Uryu fight.
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Nobody from pre novel gotei scales to bankai yamamoto.
Yamamoto, Zaraki, uno, aizen has been made explicitly clear being much above the rest. Renji scaling anywhere near to senjumaru would be funny af.

Uryu's scaling to senjumaru gotta go
 
Adam1396 said:
Nobody from pre novel gotei scales to bankai yamamoto.
Yamamoto, Zaraki, uno, aizen has been made explicitly clear being much above the rest. Renji scaling anywhere near to senjumaru would be funny af.

Uryu's scaling to senjumaru gotta go
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I’d love for you to prove that Bankai Renji < Bankai Yamamoto. Rather than just cope about it 😔

Edit: if the anime contradicts CFYOW, the anime would take precedence anyhow. It’s the far more recent vision for Kubo’s story.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Quite literally more of them were watching the Ichigo fight, and explicitly Jugram was. So I don’t think it’s a case of “oh gotta show off for Lille”, when those conditions were far more present against Ichigo. And literally no one is within earshot to hear Uryu say he despises Renji either. Plus tmk, the five Quincy got assigned to the five cities.
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They were occupied with Ganju, Chad, and Orihime except for Jugram. They only really came in to watch the outcome rather than the actual fight itself. Then again to add a counterpoint to my argument, Jugram was also farther away from the fight than he was with Ichigo.

Overall I think my first point stands that Uryu holds Ichigo in a higher regard than Renji, so he has less sympathy for him and is more willing to kill.
 
Adam1396 said:
Nobody from pre novel gotei scales to bankai yamamoto.
Yamamoto, Zaraki, uno, aizen has been made explicitly clear being much above the rest. Renji scaling anywhere near to senjumaru would be funny af.

Uryu's scaling to senjumaru gotta go
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So we're gonna ignore the part where Uryu one shotted a Senjumaru who vastly outscales Yamaji IN HER OWN BANKAI? Yeah, nah.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
They were occupied with Ganju, Chad, and Orihime except for Jugram. They only really came in to watch the outcome rather than the actual fight itself. Then again to add a counterpoint to my argument, Jugram was also farther away from the fight than he was with Ichigo.

Overall I think my first point stands that Uryu holds Ichigo in a higher regard than Renji, so he has less sympathy for him and is more willing to kill.
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Bleach characters can see and perceive across hundreds of kilometers, Uryu and Ichigo weren’t out of Jugram’s sight. Lille is preoccupied sniping people and is in no way implied to be watching Uryu.

I don’t think it’s something as simple as “I like Ichigo a little more than you”. That’s extremely shallow, and just not likely with how Kubo weaves intricacies into his writing. Far more likely that there is more meaning to Uryu’s despising of Renji.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I don’t think it’s something as simple as “I like Ichigo a little more than you”. That’s extremely shallow, and just not likely with how Kubo weaves intricacies into his writing. Far more likely that there is more meaning to Uryu’s despising of Renji.
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Perhaps. But Kubo also paints a puzzle piece by piece, so until we have far more to work out the details with, we won't entirely know. It could end up being Uryu growing to despise Shinigami, which actually could be a stronger case considering that with Ichigo, Uryu would've understood Orihime will heal him and prevent him from dying. But with Renji, he got separated from everyone. Definitely could be more at play
 
Uryu lost to Senjumaru. Uryu used hax to escaped her Bankai and had her Bankai effects hold on Senjumaru before one shot with Vollstandig.

Renji is set up to be find by Ichigo’s crew, Orihime heals, and gang talks about Uryu’s friendship once more.

Renji getting healed from this near death experience is going to making stronger, so he could fight Gerard and Yhwach at the end of the series.

Urahara confirmed souls in Bleach are like Saiyans in his training with Ichigo in the first arc. Zenkai boost exist in Bleach. Even the white Sensu bean used in the arrancar arc by Yoruichi and Urahara in their battle with Yammy and Ulquiorra. It’s obvious that Yamamoto is Old Man Roshi after he passed away.
 
I'm actually really invested when it comes to how they're treating Uryu's character this arc. From the manga he was far more merciful with handling his friends: This fight obviously didn't happen and Lille had to finish off Ichigo after he merely made him fall through the floor. Here he straight up turns Ichigo into Toji Fushiguro and donuts Renji.

I feel like Uryu might have a more complex goal and personality in mind when it comes to the anime's interpretation.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Perhaps. But Kubo also paints a puzzle piece by piece, so until we have far more to work out the details with, we won't entirely know. It could end up being Uryu growing to despise Shinigami, which actually could be a stronger case considering that with Ichigo, Uryu would've understood Orihime will heal him and prevent him from dying. But with Renji, he got separated from everyone. Definitely could be more at play
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Hence why I asked a speculative question goon. Obviously I’m not saying we have the full picture 🗿
 
I actually think it's because Uryu is straight up going the way of the Bach. If he's a double agent, he's doing too good of a job at it. Obviously Renji couldn't handle Sklaverai and Uryu would've known that, but he went for the overkill option and popped his level 3.
 
AppleLord said:
Grimmjow was done dirty. Not extended fight, and got one shot after his appearance in the last episode. Lol
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Kinda makes me worried on how they'll handle Ichigo vs Askin. If Ichigo's gonna lose, at least have it be a reason like Askin actually being relative to him or showing what killed him in particular.
 
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