BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[AppleLord]

I wish Kubo explores the Mimihagi and Yhwach interaction here further. I want to see the Almighty have a weakness. Perhaps, related to Stillness. It means there is no flow of time, so in that moment that being has no future. Maybe give Ichigo that “time stop” power from Old Man Zangetsu in the first fight of Ichigo vs Kenpachi as Ichigo’s schrift Quincy power? Something OMZ did against Yhwach’s wishes? It would make sense for Almighty Yhwach to not be able to see Ichigo if he moves like “Hit” from DBS. Kubo could bend or change the rules to fit into a weakness for Almighty. Let’s say the time stop doesn’t work on Yhwach himself but it does on the Almighty. Ichigo would have his own “Bankai” expansion similar to Tousen or Senjumaru if he wants to make it his Bankai instead of Quincy power. That would be cool. Ichigo and Yhwach would fight in a time stop zone.

 

[AppleLord]

 

[M11UTD]

The shaking of world stopped instantly after Mimihagi broke the Shakonmaku, so why is the timeframe 7 seconds?

 

[AppleLord]

The shaking of world stopped instantly after Mimihagi broke the Shakonmaku, so why is the timeframe 7 seconds?

There was no shaking when the episode started during the Ukitake speech. The earthquakes were not continous.

 

[M11UTD]

There was no shaking when the episode started during the Ukitake speech. The earthquakes were not continous.

They made it very clear that something different happened, the moment when the screen cut back to Kisuke right after Mimihagi went out of the seireitei.

 

[M11UTD]

17:25 Mimihagi leaves the seireitei
17:28 they show the shaking stopped
17:29 Kisuke says “the tremor…has stopped!”

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The shaking of world stopped instantly after Mimihagi broke the Shakonmaku, so why is the timeframe 7 seconds?

No it stops cuz he grabbed the Soul King, it didn't stop when he broke out of the Shakonmaku.

 

[M11UTD]

No it stops cuz he grabbed the Soul King, it didn't stop when he broke out of the Shakonmaku.

I’m not saying that it stopped because it broke the Shakonmaku. I’m saying that they showed us that it stopped after it broke the Shakonmaku at 27:28.
So he grabbed the Soul King before showing it from the perspective of the characters in SKP after they noticed Mimihagi. So the time-frame should be less than 7 seconds.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I’m not saying that it stopped because it broke the Shakonmaku. I’m saying that they showed us that it stopped after it broke the Shakonmaku at 27:28.
So he grabbed the Soul King before showing it from the perspective of the characters in SKP after they noticed Mimihagi. So the time-frame should be less than 7 seconds.

Potentially yeah, I’ll do a frame by frame later for an exact timeframe. I just gave a maximum for the time being.

 

[M_Animefan]

Why are people so confused about Aizen being free lol? It wasn’t Kyouka Suigetsu but Aizen is just built different, but if we go by Novels than Azashirou was the one who freed him.

 

[Adam1396]

I believe distance between these 2 dimension should be much greater than what is accepted now. It has to be such great distance that squad zero takes whole week to travel with their shunpo.

Both dimension having same sun doesn’t click for me either..

 

[Damage3245]

I believe distance between these 2 dimension should be much greater than what is accepted now. It has to be such great distance that squad zero takes whole week to travel with their shunpo.

Both dimension having same sun doesn’t click for me either..

Wasn't the statement that it would just be a week of regular Shunpo going down the spiral stairs? Those stairs would add to the distance considerably.

 

[Adam1396]

Wasn't the statement that it would just be a week of regular Shunpo going down the spiral stairs? Those stairs would add to the distance considerably.

Stairs was not mentioned as far I remember. Did the stair appear in the whole path?

But it was mentioned it will take whole one week for them. Their regular shunpo still should be superior than the likes of grimjow.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Gentleman, I know nothing about Bleach scaling, so can someone tell me about Bleach being apparently multiversal according to r/powerscaling and what arguement they are refering to, as well as if this site accepts it or not?

 

[Adam1396]

Gentleman, I know nothing about Bleach scaling, so can someone tell me about Bleach being apparently multiversal according to r/powerscaling and what arguement they are refering to, as well as if this site accepts it or not?

It's mainly for 2 reasons.
2A for garganata being infinite, large enough to contain infinite universe.

Another argument that is for low 1C is due to having hyperdimension

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

It's mainly for 2 reasons.
2A for garganata being infinite, large enough to contain infinite universe.

Another argument that is for low 1C is due to having hyperdimension

I'm guessing this site doesn't accept either of these? If so, do you know why?

 

[Adam1396]

I'm guessing this site doesn't accept either of these? If so, do you know why?

Because bleach is undergoing massive revisions.
Lot of things are pending

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Gentleman, I know nothing about Bleach scaling, so can someone tell me about Bleach being apparently multiversal according to r/powerscaling and what arguement they are refering to, as well as if this site accepts it or not?

Well we have the World of the living universe, the SS universe for the dead, HM universe for Hollows, Dangai separated from space-time, Garganta which is infinite.
There u have Multiversal

Then u can argue higher using the Hyperdimension argument

The LOWEST realistically u can go in bleach is at least Galaxy level due to there being multiple stars in each realm

as for the Site, we currently have them at Galaxy? i think

I'm guessing this site doesn't accept either of these? If so, do you know why?

The verse is mostly been waiting for the Cours to come and finish to give a massive revision to the verse an update it.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Well we have the World of the living universe, the SS universe for the dead, HM universe for Hollows, Dangai separated from space-time, Garganta which is infinite.
There u have Multiversal

Then u can argue higher using the Hyperdimension argument

The LOWEST realistically u can go in bleach is at least Galaxy level due to there being multiple stars in each realm

as for the Site, we currently have them at Galaxy? i think


The verse is mostly been waiting for the Cours to come and finish to give a massive revision to the verse an update it.

Realistically how high do you see the verse getting with revisions?

 

[Tyri456]

Realistically how high do you see the verse getting with revisions?

low 2C to 2C.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Realistically how high do you see the verse getting with revisions?

L2C to solid 2C

 

[Tyri456]

Why are people so confused about Aizen being free lol? It wasn’t Kyouka Suigetsu but Aizen is just built different, but if we go by Novels than Azashirou was the one who freed him.

You are right yeah, according to novels what azashiro freed was his mouth and eye, but it was never mentioned he freed his ankles.

So Aizen must have done that by himself for that part

 

[Hellscream]

Depends on if they elaborate further on the primordial sea or not, verse could easily get 5D

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Hold your horses bub, I don’t think that’ll happen

 

[Tipper17]

Hold your horses bub, I don’t think that’ll happen

Really just wait till Ichigo vs Yhwach final battle happened

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hold your horses bub, I don’t think that’ll happen

Bleach fans asks for too much. LMAO

Though I can see possible upgrade to 2-A if there are infinite future coexists. Depending on the future episodes.
Or verse scan just stay at 2-C.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Realistically how high do you see the verse getting with revisions?

Verse is atleast 2-C
Even Manga clearly shows two different timelines for WOL and SS.
It's just about who scales to it and who don't.

 

[Hxskyy2005]

I don't really agree with bleach's calculation that is ichigo vs byakuya who is massively hypersonic. because if ichigo reacts to 100 million blades then it is relative to byakuya? reiatsu and hax in speed are not correlated?

 

[Adam1396]

There is nothing anime need to provide for hyperdimension argument.
Stated to be, self explanatory and multiple other implementations for dangai being a hyperdimension.

Same for 2A. It all depends on what gets accepted on cosmology vlog.
Both arguments are straight forward.

 

[Tyri456]

Garganta being infinite just proves its a low 2C structure given the different space-time, that has nothing to do with 2A which is an infinite amount of universal or higher space-time.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't really agree with bleach's calculation that is ichigo vs byakuya who is massively hypersonic. because if ichigo reacts to 100 million blades then it is relative to byakuya? reiatsu and hax in speed are not correlated?

Um we don’t scale Byakuya during the Soul Society arc to that calc dude. And it’s Ichigo swinging his sword so yes his sword swing speed scales.

 

[Tipper17]

really the verse is capping at uni-low multi depending on on how ichigo vs ywhach final battle goes down
anything higher is peeps letting there vs boner get ahead of them

 

[Adam1396]

Garganta being infinite just proves its a low 2C structure given the different space-time, that has nothing to do with 2A which is an infinite amount of universal or higher space-time.

It's actually funny that some people really think a low 2C structure can contain a dimension like dangai.

Oh yes, it has to do with 2A. There are characters here that scales to 2A for same reason without needing the existence of infinite universe. And I agree with the reasoning for that too.

 

[Hxskyy2005]

Um we don’t scale Byakuya during the Soul Society arc to that calc dude. And it’s Ichigo swinging his sword so yes his sword swing speed scales.

ichigo is massively hypersonic because it reacts 100 million swords right? ichigo is relative to byakuya and if he could react to 100 million swords shouldn't he destroy byakuya in speed? I mean it doesn't make sense to me that they are relative and ichigo reacts to 100 million blades. maybe it's me who is misunderstanding could you kindly explain it to me?

 

[Hellscream]

Garganta being infinite just proves its a low 2C structure given the different space-time, that has nothing to do with 2A which is an infinite amount of universal or higher space-time.

No lol

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

ichigo is massively hypersonic because it reacts 100 million swords right? ichigo is relative to byakuya and if he could react to 100 million swords shouldn't he destroy byakuya in speed? I mean it doesn't make sense to me that they are relative and ichigo reacts to 100 million blades. maybe it's me who is misunderstanding could you kindly explain it to me?

No Ichigo’s top speed has the MHS calc. Ichigo’s top speed perception blitzes Byakuya. Byakuya only ever competes with Ichigo after Ichigo slows down as is verbatim stated, or when Ichigo isn’t going all out as is also verbatim stated.

 

[Tyri456]

No lol

yes lol, if you dont agree go change the standards of the wiki.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

really the verse is capping at uni-low multi depending on on how ichigo vs ywhach final battle goes down
anything higher is peeps letting there vs boner get ahead of them

WOL and SS has different timelines (you can check SS arc where Yoru explains different time flow of WOL and SS, there was a drawing for different timelines)
2 timelines = atleast 2C (Low multi)
Verse is atleast 2-C/Low multi. No one fully scales to it that's all.

 

[M11UTD]

SAFWY has statements talking about Kenpachi breaking the Garganta’s space-time walls, means it’s a separated space-time and that applies to everything in it.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Why are people so confused about Aizen being free lol? It wasn’t Kyouka Suigetsu but Aizen is just built different, but if we go by Novels than Azashirou was the one who freed him.

The confusion mostly stems from episode 28 having a scene where Shunsui approaches Aizen's crucifix-thing, and Aizen is still bound in it, but this episode followed the manga's scene more closely.