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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Last episode, we saw Aizen on the wall when Shunsui sees him, but this episode, we see that Aizen is actually free.

The out of universe (potential) explanation for this is the anime team made a mistake, but we're discussing an in-verse explanation.

The simplest is, well, Kyoka Suigetsu. We know Aizen can and does use Kyoka Suigetsu while confined (see his discussion with Yhwach for that), so he just conjured an illusion of him still being trapped to mess with people (Aizen's also been like that).

Plus, it fits with Aizen having his mouth seal undone when meeting Yhwach, while he had it on just last episode (though, I think the anime team said that they removed Aizen's mouthpiece just to make it easier to understand the conversation with Yhwach, but we're still going with in-universe explanations here).

Plus, it fits with what we already know from the manga and Spirits are Forever with You.
When Yhwach talk to Aizen, we see the same purple glow on the ground as when Kyoraku undid the seals, so my guess is that Yhwach undone some of Aizen's seals via some reishi manip or smt to **** with the keyholes and he got re-sealed when he left.

As for today's episode, my take was always that aizen simply needed the slighest opening in his sealing to escape his physical bindings, because he is just that good.
 
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Last episode, we saw Aizen on the wall when Shunsui sees him, but this episode, we see that Aizen is actually free.

The out of universe (potential) explanation for this is the anime team made a mistake, but we're discussing an in-verse explanation.

The simplest is, well, Kyoka Suigetsu. We know Aizen can and does use Kyoka Suigetsu while confined (see his discussion with Yhwach for that), so he just conjured an illusion of him still being trapped to mess with people (Aizen's also been like that).

Plus, it fits with Aizen having his mouth seal undone when meeting Yhwach, while he had it on just last episode (though, I think the anime team said that they removed Aizen's mouthpiece just to make it easier to understand the conversation with Yhwach, but we're still going with in-universe explanations here).

Plus, it fits with what we already know from the manga and Spirits are Forever with You.
Reiatu talk with Yhwach? I agree that he could had used KS for Shunsui in that scene. Or Aizen could had already been unsealed prior to Shunsui using the keys. I'm saying that crimilar villain from the novel didn't remove his seals. Is there a reason Hulu hasn't update the episodes to the blu ray?
 
I loved how in this episode my "meme" of Ganju using sand on "Almighty" was kinda used (but I think that was smoke) to disprove its effectiveness.

Sand > Eyes : r/bleach
 
I say Ichigo performance in the anime so far is so much better than the Manga version of the events so far I really hope Kubo shows us What Ichigo bankai looks like before Mustache man goes "nope"
They could probably show us how Ichigo vs Yhwach goes when Ichigo uses his Bankai, before revealing that that was the future Yhwach saw, and then we still get the scene of Ichigo's Bankai getting broken.

Then again, Ichigo's Bankai might not even get broken this time, we don't know.
 
Reiatu talk with Yhwach? I agree that he could had used KS for Shunsui in that scene. Or Aizen could had already been unsealed prior to Shunsui using the keys.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
I'm saying that crimilar villain from the novel didn't remove his seals.
Why not?
Is there a reason Hulu hasn't update the episodes to the blu ray?
I don't know. I assume it's just easier to not update it, and it gives you extra incentive to go buy the Blu-rays.
 
I wish Kubo explores the Mimihagi and Yhwach interaction here further. I want to see the Almighty have a weakness. Perhaps, related to Stillness. It means there is no flow of time, so in that moment that being has no future. Maybe give Ichigo that “time stop” power from Old Man Zangetsu in the first fight of Ichigo vs Kenpachi as Ichigo’s schrift Quincy power? Something OMZ did against Yhwach’s wishes? It would make sense for Almighty Yhwach to not be able to see Ichigo if he moves like “Hit” from DBS. Kubo could bend or change the rules to fit into a weakness for Almighty. Let’s say the time stop doesn’t work on Yhwach himself but it does on the Almighty. Ichigo would have his own “Bankai” expansion similar to Tousen or Senjumaru if he wants to make it his Bankai instead of Quincy power. That would be cool. Ichigo and Yhwach would fight in a time stop zone.
 
The shaking of world stopped instantly after Mimihagi broke the Shakonmaku, so why is the timeframe 7 seconds?
 
There was no shaking when the episode started during the Ukitake speech. The earthquakes were not continous.
They made it very clear that something different happened, the moment when the screen cut back to Kisuke right after Mimihagi went out of the seireitei.
 
17:25 Mimihagi leaves the seireitei
17:28 they show the shaking stopped
17:29 Kisuke says “the tremor…has stopped!”
 
No it stops cuz he grabbed the Soul King, it didn't stop when he broke out of the Shakonmaku.
I’m not saying that it stopped because it broke the Shakonmaku. I’m saying that they showed us that it stopped after it broke the Shakonmaku at 27:28.
So he grabbed the Soul King before showing it from the perspective of the characters in SKP after they noticed Mimihagi. So the time-frame should be less than 7 seconds.
 
I’m not saying that it stopped because it broke the Shakonmaku. I’m saying that they showed us that it stopped after it broke the Shakonmaku at 27:28.
So he grabbed the Soul King before showing it from the perspective of the characters in SKP after they noticed Mimihagi. So the time-frame should be less than 7 seconds.
Potentially yeah, I’ll do a frame by frame later for an exact timeframe. I just gave a maximum for the time being.
 
Why are people so confused about Aizen being free lol? It wasn’t Kyouka Suigetsu but Aizen is just built different, but if we go by Novels than Azashirou was the one who freed him.
 
I believe distance between these 2 dimension should be much greater than what is accepted now. It has to be such great distance that squad zero takes whole week to travel with their shunpo.

Both dimension having same sun doesn’t click for me either..
 
I believe distance between these 2 dimension should be much greater than what is accepted now. It has to be such great distance that squad zero takes whole week to travel with their shunpo.

Both dimension having same sun doesn’t click for me either..
Wasn't the statement that it would just be a week of regular Shunpo going down the spiral stairs? Those stairs would add to the distance considerably.
 
Wasn't the statement that it would just be a week of regular Shunpo going down the spiral stairs? Those stairs would add to the distance considerably.
Stairs was not mentioned as far I remember. Did the stair appear in the whole path?

But it was mentioned it will take whole one week for them. Their regular shunpo still should be superior than the likes of grimjow.
 
Gentleman, I know nothing about Bleach scaling, so can someone tell me about Bleach being apparently multiversal according to r/powerscaling and what arguement they are refering to, as well as if this site accepts it or not?
 
Gentleman, I know nothing about Bleach scaling, so can someone tell me about Bleach being apparently multiversal according to r/powerscaling and what arguement they are refering to, as well as if this site accepts it or not?
It's mainly for 2 reasons.
2A for garganata being infinite, large enough to contain infinite universe.

Another argument that is for low 1C is due to having hyperdimension
 
It's mainly for 2 reasons.
2A for garganata being infinite, large enough to contain infinite universe.

Another argument that is for low 1C is due to having hyperdimension
I'm guessing this site doesn't accept either of these? If so, do you know why?
 
Gentleman, I know nothing about Bleach scaling, so can someone tell me about Bleach being apparently multiversal according to r/powerscaling and what arguement they are refering to, as well as if this site accepts it or not?
Well we have the World of the living universe, the SS universe for the dead, HM universe for Hollows, Dangai separated from space-time, Garganta which is infinite.
There u have Multiversal

Then u can argue higher using the Hyperdimension argument

The LOWEST realistically u can go in bleach is at least Galaxy level due to there being multiple stars in each realm

as for the Site, we currently have them at Galaxy? i think

I'm guessing this site doesn't accept either of these? If so, do you know why?
The verse is mostly been waiting for the Cours to come and finish to give a massive revision to the verse an update it.
 
Well we have the World of the living universe, the SS universe for the dead, HM universe for Hollows, Dangai separated from space-time, Garganta which is infinite.
There u have Multiversal

Then u can argue higher using the Hyperdimension argument

The LOWEST realistically u can go in bleach is at least Galaxy level due to there being multiple stars in each realm

as for the Site, we currently have them at Galaxy? i think


The verse is mostly been waiting for the Cours to come and finish to give a massive revision to the verse an update it.
Realistically how high do you see the verse getting with revisions?
 
Why are people so confused about Aizen being free lol? It wasn’t Kyouka Suigetsu but Aizen is just built different, but if we go by Novels than Azashirou was the one who freed him.
You are right yeah, according to novels what azashiro freed was his mouth and eye, but it was never mentioned he freed his ankles.

So Aizen must have done that by himself for that part
 
I don't really agree with bleach's calculation that is ichigo vs byakuya who is massively hypersonic. because if ichigo reacts to 100 million blades then it is relative to byakuya? reiatsu and hax in speed are not correlated?
 
There is nothing anime need to provide for hyperdimension argument.
Stated to be, self explanatory and multiple other implementations for dangai being a hyperdimension.

Same for 2A. It all depends on what gets accepted on cosmology vlog.
Both arguments are straight forward.
 
Garganta being infinite just proves its a low 2C structure given the different space-time, that has nothing to do with 2A which is an infinite amount of universal or higher space-time.
 
I don't really agree with bleach's calculation that is ichigo vs byakuya who is massively hypersonic. because if ichigo reacts to 100 million blades then it is relative to byakuya? reiatsu and hax in speed are not correlated?
Um we don’t scale Byakuya during the Soul Society arc to that calc dude. And it’s Ichigo swinging his sword so yes his sword swing speed scales.
 
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