BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Peter1129]

So we went from only the Schutzstaffel getting a buff from Aushwählen in the manga. To Uryu, Hasschwalth, & Schutzstaffel all getting two buffs (Auswählen, Almighty) in the anime. Cool. And from the looks of it

Pre-Auswählen Uryu/Haschwalth can somewhat keep up with Sealed Power Squad 0 blocking their attacks and all but can’t defeat them like Post-Auswählen Vollständig Schutzstaffel. But they should roughly be around the same level of power.

Post-Auswählen Uryu/Haschwalth are unknown but based on how their Pre-Auswählen selves were somewhat close to Sealed Power Squad 0 level I assume they are stronger than Post-Auswählen Vollständig Schutzstaffel.

Post-Almighty Uryu is shown to be able to match attacks from Full Power Bankai Senjumaru. And in the manga it’s shown that Haschwalth can fight Uryu so I assume they are pretty much on the same level.

Assuming they are always using Blut when fighting. Scaling up to this point with a mix of manga info and some assumptions here and there

Post-Almighty Vollständig Uryu >> Full Power Bankai Squad 0 >= Post-Almighty Base Uryu/Haschwalth > Post-Almighty Vollständig Schutzstaffel > Post-Auswählen Base Uryu/Haschwalth > Post-Auswählen Vollständig Schutzstaffel >= Sealed Power Squad Zero >= Pre-Auswählen Base Uryu/Haschwalth > Pre-Auswählen Vollständig Schutzstaffel >> Pre-Auswählen Base Schutzstaffel

This is just my scaling of what I think that I made for fun with some assumptions btw. Not the actual scaling that should be used on the profile. Also still not sure where the Schutzstaffel‘s Base after each amp or their Sklaverei Vollständig, nor Lille/Gerard Vollständig 2nd Form would scale in this chain as we don’t have enough new info from the anime. Though I’d take a guess and say Lille and Gerard would be around Vollständig Uryu level with their Vollständig 2nd Form.

What do you guys think the complete scaling will be like for the top 6 Quincies and Squad 0?

Also shouldn’t Bankai Senjumaru be like 5x the shaking three realms feat? Since that’s something they could do casually even without the need of Bankai according to Senjumaru.

And Ichibē doesn’t seem to have a sealed power state so shouldn’t he just have one key that’s 4-A for being the de facto leader of Squad 0 and thus stronger than the other members at full power?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I wouldn't mind if Kubo says Ichibei is transcendent level

Like Condom Aizen or Rockstar Aizen level

Dude is a whole ass primordial entity who apparently named everything ( including the current universe )

Would make sense for him to be God Tier

 

[Peter1129]

He is implied to be though. Like in the manga Yhwach couldn’t sense any reiatsu from his brush when he released his Shikai. Although it’s more likely that Kubo dropped the whole concept of transcendents after the Arrancar Saga. Cause based on statements and what Ichibe said in the anime about Ichigo surpassing a soul reaper it’s pretty much confirmed that True Shikai Ichigo is a transcendent now. And yet everybody can still sense his reiatsu even when he’s serious.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

He is implied to be though. Like in the manga Yhwach couldn’t sense any reiatsu from his brush when he released his Shikai. Although it’s more likely that Kubo dropped the whole concept of transcendents after the Arrancar Saga. Cause based on statements and what Ichibe said in the anime about Ichigo surpassing a soul reaper it’s pretty much confirmed that True Shikai Ichigo is a transcendent now. And yet everybody can still sense his reiatsu even when he’s serious.

Given how inconsistent transcendence seemed in TBYW Manga ( as you pointed out ) the best explanation I could think of as to why Yhwach couldn't sense Ichibei's Shikai was likely moreso due to its conceptual nature or whatever

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Like lmao

******* SOIFON could somehow sense the Reio's reiatsu in the manga

Butterfly Aizen level Soifon confirmed

 

[Peter1129]

Honestly in my opinion the ones that probably are in fact transcendent at the time of TYBW are

Soul King
Yhwach
Mimihagi
Ichigo
Aizen
Ichibe

Pretty self explanatory why they are transcendent. And the ones that can be argued to be transcendent would be

Uryu
Haschwalth
Vollständig 2nd Form Lille
Vollständig 2nd Form Gerard
Full Power Squad 0

Uryu it’s because he’s most likely gonna be on True Shikai Ichigo’s level even in Base by this point. Haschwalth can fight Uryu not to mention at night he has Almighty so he’s pretty much arguably transcendent as well. Lille in his 2nd form has the whole light of god stuff going on which kinda implies he’s transcendent as well. Gerard I just assume he’s essentially a 2nd Lille since he’s the only other Schutzstaffel with a Vollständig 2nd form. Full Power Squad 0 it’s because their bodies were all changed to the Oken so I assume they can’t really be considered normal shinigami’s anymore which kinda fits the definition of transcendent that Aizen said about surpassing the limits of a shinigami.

Like I personally think being stronger than Bankai Yamamoto who is the peak of a shinigami would mean a character is now stepping into the realm of transcendents.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Like lmao

******* SOIFON could somehow sense the Reio's reiatsu in the manga

Butterfly Aizen level Soifon confirmed

From what the trailer has, Ikkaku and Hisagi would be too lol

 

[AnimesFreak2]

From what the trailer has, Ikkaku and Hisagi would be too lol

I loathe Hisagi's existence so I am seething and malding rn

 

[AnimesFreak2]

@Peter1129

My only issue with Transcendent level S0 is that didn't Shunsui sense Bankai Senjumaru's power when she released it?

And Isshin and Kisuke, characters FAR stronger than Shunsui could not sense even Condom Aizen's power level due to being far too strong for them to?

And Condom Aizen is like the weakest transcendent by far?

 

[Aernasilver]

I mean you can still be sensed if you allow them too as a transcendent.

But yeah it’s probably a dropped concept.

 

[Peter1129]

@AnimesFreak2 The whole transcendents can’t be sensed concept has probably been dropped. Cause there’s way too many cases of transcendent characters being sensed in TYBW.

I’m just going by the definition for transcendent given by Aizen and Squad 0 does fit it in a way since they aren’t pure shinigami anymore after their body got turned into Oken. Not to mention the whole casually shaking three realms at full power stuff.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I mean you can still be sensed if you allow them too as a transcendent.

But yeah it’s probably a dropped concept.

Well I mean obviously but I am more so talking of being able to sense their true power simply because you are that strong rather than said transcendent intentionally lowering their power to lower levels

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ganju senses Shutara’s Bankai. She ain’t transcendent.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Can someone confirm if this is real Q&A? Or fan-made

 

[Adam1396]

Can someone confirm if this is real Q&A? Or fan-made

It's real.
Aizen didn’t want to engage with him in fight because he would be troublesome.

 

[Adam1396]

Ain't some of phenomenon type 1 concept?

 

[Adam1396]

Conceptual absorption for Yhwach

This will be very straight forward. Names in Bleach are concepts with meaning, power assigned to it. Name is someone's fundamental aspect of existence (concept) Ichibe needs to name ichigo as "reio" to function as reio despite having the requirements of reio, again meaning name is important...

vsbattles.com

Guys help me get this accepted. This is a deserved addition for yhwach

 

[Hellscream]

I'll see if i can cook up CM1 ichibei at some point

 

[Hellscream]

Will be way easier for Soul King to get it though

 

[AppleLord]

Transcendent Reiatsu not been sensed was dropped like God Ki not been sensed.

 

[SlendVeny]

Transcendent Reiatsu not been sensed was dropped like God Ki not been sensed.

The God Ki thing still happens, it's just that basically nobody has purely God Ki now.

 

[That_moron2]

Ganju senses Shutara’s Bankai. She ain’t transcendent.

Or perhaps Ganju is on the same realm as she is

 

[Hellscream]

Yhwach should have limited immeasurable speed with The Almighty tbh
Kinda surprised it hasn't been done yet

Perfectly showcased it against ichibei

 

[That_moron2]

 

[Naeblis495]

Educate this person.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Are there people who genuinely think Dangai Ichigo is weaker than Bankai Yamamoto? Seriously?

 

[Adam1396]

Bankai yamamoto would be like an infant in front of shutara..

Dangai ichigo would one tap shutara.

Now guess yourself.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

If you want to tackle cm type 1 Ichibe message deceived

 

[Excellence616]

Are there people who genuinely think Dangai Ichigo is weaker than Bankai Yamamoto? Seriously?

Nothing new to me. I have seen people saying Yamamoto would oneshot the Squad Zero and he is equal to or slightly stronger than Ichibe. They tend to is argument of "No Shinigami in a thousand years is stronger than me and that he has the strongest Zanpakuto".

 

[AppleLord]

The God Ki thing still happens, it's just that basically nobody has purely God Ki now.

Frieza doesn’t have God Ki but can sense it. Makes no sense.

 

[AppleLord]

The tanslation card with Senjumaru’s power says her Bankai adapts and changes to counter the opponents power. Sounds like that is what Mayuri did to his zanpakutou to use against Pernida.

 

[AppleLord]

Anyone notice that since this is Uryu’s first time going Vollstandig is taking a toll on his body. This is something the female Quincy mentioned.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Nothing new to me. I have seen people saying Yamamoto would oneshot the Squad Zero and he is equal to or slightly stronger than Ichibe. They tend to is argument of "No Shinigami in a thousand years is stronger than me and that he has the strongest Zanpakuto".

I remember people saying that since they assumed Yamamoto beat Almighty Yhwach 1000 years ago. Thankfully, episode 24 put that to rest.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Any potential arguments for Yamamoto against Ichibei almost 100% finally died when it was confirmed Yhwach was nerfed by Pernida when he fought Old Man Yama years ago and then 100% confirmed when Shutara unleashed her Bankai

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

fug Ichibe might just be 2-C

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

fug Ichibe might just be 2-C

2-C but couldn't even pull off his ult rip what a fraud

 

[Peter1129]

@AnimesFreak2 Yamamoto fell down the rankings really hard. Like dude really went from being just outside the top 5 in the manga to just barely in the top 10 with the novels and now with the anime and Klub Outside info he’s probably not even among the top 15 or top 20 end of series now.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I was watching the new episode again with some friends, and heard them go "Ichibe and Shutara's Bankai are like Domain Expansion", and I felt like one of those boomers watching the kids go "baby gronk ohio rizz" and wanted to kilometer second.

 

[Naeblis495]

Ditch those friends, fr.

 

[Aernasilver]

I was watching the new episode again with some friends, and heard them go "Ichibe and Shutara's Bankai are like Domain Expansion", and I felt like one of those boomers watching the kids go "baby gronk ohio rizz" and wanted to kilometer second.

Alright grandpa let’s get you to bed.