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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Tipper17 said:
Ngl why do people say EOS Aizen beats EOS Ichigo?

Ichigo despite having most of his powers taken away was able to slice SK mustache man in half while Aizen at best could place the latter under a illusion,slashed some of his shadows.

Ywhach had no issues putting a hole in him
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The entire first half of the final fight is essentially Aizen vs Yhwach, which ends with Aizen revealing he was fighting Yhwach alone the whole time and trolling him with Kyoka. Ichigo and Renji only show up at the end, Aizen just made Yhwach believe they showed up earlier, so Aizen did put up a good fight against Yhwach alone.

The gap between TYBW Aizen vs TYBW Ichigo, no matter how big you think it is, is surely smaller than the gap between Mugetsu and 5th Fusion Aizen, and Ichigo still couldn't get it done due to Aizens hax, with Aizen only losing due to Kisuke and his own subconscious desire to be stopped. Aizen just tanks and evolves past Ichigo's best and eventually overtakes him like he nearly did in their final fight. Ichigo gets stomped because he legit lacks a wincon.
 
GOATMAN1232000 said:
Wait, what? Was this in a Klub Q/A? Does this mean that anything within the range of his reiatsu can get put under KS?
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I don't have the references of the top of my head but they're in the profile and accepted. It's specified that Yhwach and Aizen were communicating with Reiatsu, and Aizen filled up Muken with his reiatsu to subtly influence Yhwach. The answer to your question is yes.
 
Tipper17 said:
When was it stated Aizen can still evolve like he did back then
All we know he got stronger than before but don't recall he can just evolve
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Aizen is still with the Hōgyoku.
SlendVeny said:
The "Latent Potential" thing is literally stated, he was one of the 4 most feared people in Soul Society because of it.
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Reactive Evolution is passive sometimes. Ichigo erase Aizen. Aizen regenerates and evolve surpassing Ichigo. Just think of Aizen as Doomsday

Latent Potential is active. It sometimes needs to be tapped into with Training.
 
Tipper17 said:
When was it stated Aizen can still evolve like he did back then
All we know he got stronger than before but don't recall he can just evolve
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He never lost the ability. He's still the master of the Hogyoku which has the power to evolve him. Him getting stronger by doing nothing only proves that point that he retains the power.
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
He does though?

It's used to further prove FB Ichigo is above all the Post TS Captains ( Bar Yama without his rage amp )

As it was confirmed it was unbreakable

Moon level with Bankai (Ichigo's Bankai destroys a pocket dimension that not even a variety of Captains mounting an all out assault could destroy[47], this includes Zaraki's Ryoudan, and he killed Bankai Ginjo



tbf while I already scale him above them all, I don't know if we should take the statement seriously though ngl as Yukio much like all the Fullbringers is pretty arrogant and Rukia was just taking his statement as face value...there could be something I am not remembering though so if anyone will correct me please do so
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Why are we taking a statement from Rukia so seriously to scale them?
 
Ichigo doesn’t get 5-C from busting out of Yukio’s dimension. He gets 5-C from scaling above other 5-C characters. There’s no calc for breaking Yukio’s dimension. Theres also the Quilge scaling with the Blut amps.

Here’s Ichigo full justification:
(Ichigo's Bankai destroys a pocket dimension that not even a variety of Captains mounting an all out assault could destroy[47], this includes Zaraki's Ryoudan, and he killed Bankai Ginjo[48][49]. Ichigo consistently presses[50] Post-Ayon absorbed Vollständig Quilge[51], and Squad 12 believes Ichigo can turn the tides of the first invasion[52][Statistics Values 3])
 
Just a question. On Nnoritra's profile, he has Master Swordsman with the justificafion of scaling above other master swordsmen like Ulquiorra and Starrk, but Starrk only has Expert Swordsman. Is there some form of inconsistency or is it supposed to be that way?
 
KingogKings777 said:
Why are we taking a statement from Rukia so seriously to scale them?
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I think that part of Ichigo's AP justification is leftover from when he scaled to the SAFWY dangai splitting calc before it got nuked, and that's why extra emphasis is placed on him scaling above Kenpachi's ryoudan. His scaling doesn't rely on that as much anymore, though it's not technically incorrect.
 
AppleLord said:
It seems Genjutsu failed on humans and animals that didn't had organic eyes. Bleach character's eyes would be made of Reishi not organic matter.
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Also Quincies can deconstruct Chakra getting inserted into their bodies with Macro Quantum manipulation.
 
AppleLord said:
It seems Genjutsu failed on humans and animals that didn't had organic eyes. Bleach character's eyes would be made of Reishi not organic matter.
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that part shouldnt matter since Bijuu are entirely made of solid chakra and can still be GJ'd

its more like it doesn't work on mechanical or glass eyes like the one instance from the Sasuke novel
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Also Quincies can deconstruct Chakra getting inserted into their bodies with Macro Quantum manipulation.
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this is a misconception about GJ, it doesn't actually affect you via injecting and leaving Chakra in you that can be removed to stop the GJ.

once the jutsu activates it attacks one of the senses and distorts the flow of chakra in your body to gain control of you, which can only be stopped by regaining the flow of your life force.

if you can actively manipulate your internal life force(which pm everyone in Bleach can do) you can break most basic Genjutsu.

Ocular Genjutsu and Jiraiya's Sage Sound-Based Genjutsu are the only exceptions.
 
Westcoast5005 said:
Wasn’t it stated prior to kenpachi getting Bankai that no soul reaper born after Yamamoto was stronger. Wouldn’t that mean only ichibe and oetsu are above unless squad zero are exempt from this
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Senjumaru is likely older than Yamamoto since we see Shikausho's in regular use by the original 13 Court Guard Squads 1000 years ago, but as others have said, Squad 0 candidates seems to get boosts whenever they join it.
 
Godernet said:
that part shouldnt matter since Bijuu are entirely made of solid chakra and can still be GJ'd

its more like it doesn't work on mechanical or glass eyes like the one instance from the Sasuke novel
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Chakra would be spiritual energy which is Reiryoku on Bleach and completely different from Reishi. Reishi is a different power system from spiritual energy and chakra. Like Senjutsu and Chakra aren’t the same. Reishi would be the equivalent of Senjutsu or Natural energy that come from nature and the environment. If tail beast were made of Senjutsu then you would be correct.
 
yeah if it's just spiritual particles it shouldn't change anything,

Bleach Characters would Null regular GJ

Occular GJ or Frog Song would probably depend on the character having the layered mental resistances to deal with the stronger ones.

I'm not fully sure who would have the resistance to deal with higher interpretations of Tsukuyomi (maybe Yhwach or Aizen.)
 
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