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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

It seems Genjutsu failed on humans and animals that didn't had organic eyes. Bleach character's eyes would be made of Reishi not organic matter.
Also Quincies can deconstruct Chakra getting inserted into their bodies with Macro Quantum manipulation.
 
It seems Genjutsu failed on humans and animals that didn't had organic eyes. Bleach character's eyes would be made of Reishi not organic matter.
that part shouldnt matter since Bijuu are entirely made of solid chakra and can still be GJ'd

its more like it doesn't work on mechanical or glass eyes like the one instance from the Sasuke novel
 
Also Quincies can deconstruct Chakra getting inserted into their bodies with Macro Quantum manipulation.
this is a misconception about GJ, it doesn't actually affect you via injecting and leaving Chakra in you that can be removed to stop the GJ.

once the jutsu activates it attacks one of the senses and distorts the flow of chakra in your body to gain control of you, which can only be stopped by regaining the flow of your life force.

if you can actively manipulate your internal life force(which pm everyone in Bleach can do) you can break most basic Genjutsu.

Ocular Genjutsu and Jiraiya's Sage Sound-Based Genjutsu are the only exceptions.
 
Wasn’t it stated prior to kenpachi getting Bankai that no soul reaper born after Yamamoto was stronger. Wouldn’t that mean only ichibe and oetsu are above unless squad zero are exempt from this
Senjumaru is likely older than Yamamoto since we see Shikausho's in regular use by the original 13 Court Guard Squads 1000 years ago, but as others have said, Squad 0 candidates seems to get boosts whenever they join it.
 
that part shouldnt matter since Bijuu are entirely made of solid chakra and can still be GJ'd

its more like it doesn't work on mechanical or glass eyes like the one instance from the Sasuke novel
Chakra would be spiritual energy which is Reiryoku on Bleach and completely different from Reishi. Reishi is a different power system from spiritual energy and chakra. Like Senjutsu and Chakra aren’t the same. Reishi would be the equivalent of Senjutsu or Natural energy that come from nature and the environment. If tail beast were made of Senjutsu then you would be correct.
 
yeah if it's just spiritual particles it shouldn't change anything,

Bleach Characters would Null regular GJ

Occular GJ or Frog Song would probably depend on the character having the layered mental resistances to deal with the stronger ones.

I'm not fully sure who would have the resistance to deal with higher interpretations of Tsukuyomi (maybe Yhwach or Aizen.)
 
 
Infinite Tsukuyomi can affect you if the light reflected from the moon's surface touches you, even if you're indoors sleeping, it's not really reliant on vision.
IDK why it's even called that, Madara isn't using Tsukuyomi, it should be called like... infinite... moon... eye, or something.
 
Infinite Tsukuyomi can affect you if the light reflected from the moon's surface touches you, even if you're indoors sleeping, it's not really reliant on vision.
I don't think of that as an occular gj. I imagine that by definition, ocular gj have to be reliant on vision.
 
I don't think of that as an occular gj. I imagine that by definition, ocular gj have to be reliant on vision.
it's an ocular GJ in the sense that it requires a Dojutsu(Eye-Based Kekkai Genkai) to cast.

but that's fair

there's never really a specific distinction made in the series on whether Ocular GJ are classified as GJ that requires mutual eye contact or GJ that comes from the user's eyes.

tho I'd personally go with the ladder.
 
it's an ocular GJ in the sense that it requires a Dojutsu(Eye-Based Kekkai Genkai) to cast.

but that's fair

there's never really a specific distinction made in the series on whether Ocular GJ are classified as GJ that requires mutual eye contact or GJ that comes from the user's eyes.

tho I'd personally go with the ladder.
It uses a Dojutsu to activate, and doesn't rely the target's sight to work, but it does affect the eyes pretty heavily.
 
it's an ocular GJ in the sense that it requires a Dojutsu(Eye-Based Kekkai Genkai) to cast.

but that's fair

there's never really a specific distinction made in the series on whether Ocular GJ are classified as GJ that requires mutual eye contact or GJ that comes from the user's eyes.

tho I'd personally go with the ladder.
It's just a whatever distinction for this discussion. You've gotten your point across which I have no issue with.
 
 
Reishi isn’t a power system. Reishi is simple spiritual particles. It is not at a type of energy.
Genjutsu show a weakness to a different type of eye that wasn't organic. Is only fair to ask prove of evidence now for ocular Genjutsu working on eyes made of Reishi. Bijju's are made of spiritual energy aka Reiryoku, not spiritual matter aka Reishi.

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Genjutsu show a weakness to a different type of eye that wasn't organic. Is only fair to ask prove of evidence now for ocular Genjutsu working on eyes made of Reishi. Bijju's are made of spiritual energy aka Reiryoku, not spiritual matter aka Reishi.

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Biiju are made out of physcial and mental/spiritual energy since they are chakra.
 
it's an ocular GJ in the sense that it requires a Dojutsu(Eye-Based Kekkai Genkai) to cast.

but that's fair

there's never really a specific distinction made in the series on whether Ocular GJ are classified as GJ that requires mutual eye contact or GJ that comes from the user's eyes.

tho I'd personally go with the ladder.
Pretty sure ocular genjutsu are genjutsu that comes from dojutsu
 
Whether Genjutsu works on Reikaku or not is only really a discussion for Fullbringers and Quincy in their physical bodies. The strongest/most potent Genjutsu in the verse, the Infinite Tsukuyomi has been shown to not affect souls…the Edo Tensei. And iirc, we haven’t had any examples of Genjutsu working on souls to say that it’s a specific weakness of the IT that doesn’t apply to other Genjutsu. So Shinigami and Hollows are automatically safe from Genjutsu. Fullbringers and Quincy in their Reishi bodies should also be safe. It’s only FB and Quincy in their physical bodies that have the potential to be affected. And then that’s where Reikaku, limited power null and whatever other arguments come in
 
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