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He wanted to exterminate them to regain his power. This does not suddenly mean he didn't want to exterminate them
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Arcker123
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That's absurd and I struggle to see how you can honestly say that.
Lol this is just prevarication. He's directly and knowingly taking acts to exterminate a group of people. Why he intends to destroy them isn't a defeater for him intending to destroy them. He does a technique to specifically kill all members of x group of the Quincy based on their heritage. That's a genocide, that wouldn't be changed by why specifically he did that.
To argue this is to say Yhwach somehow didn't know his auschwalen targeting all the impures would kill them.
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"Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group."
There's a reason the nuclear attack on Japan is not considered genocide, and it's the same reason here. Killing the victims was not the main goal. The victims were killed as a 'byproduct' to achieve the goal. If the international community doesn't consider the nuclear attacks genocide, then it would also not consider Auswählen a genocide.
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So he just took the power back and didn't know it would kill them? That's the only way he could do it. If he chose to do it despite knowing they would die, he intended to kill them.
Arcker123
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Peak anime brain rot going on rn.
@Bastolan27 when Yhwach used a lethal weapons on the minorities, did he just not understand that it would kill them?
The international community would consider magic anime attack aimed to destroy a specific minority group for x reason genocide.
Edit: You can intend to kill a group for reasons beyond killing that group simpliciter.
@Bastolan27 when Yhwach used a lethal weapons on the minorities, did he just not understand that it would kill them?
This isn't at all analagous. It's a technique that specifically targets a group of people for death rather than just a nuke with no racial motive. Yhwach intends to kill everyone he killed for specific reasons
The international community would consider magic anime attack aimed to destroy a specific minority group for x reason genocide.
Edit: You can intend to kill a group for reasons beyond killing that group simpliciter.
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Did the US not know that two cities where going to die? Knowledge of the act does not make it genocide
The nukes explicitly targeted the extinction of two cities of civilians of a specific ethnicity. Since it's not considered genocide, it emphasizes that the intent behind the targeting is what matters to the definition.
The reasons are the degree of usefulness to him. The whole idea isn't intricately tied to ethnicity. If this were a scenario like Dragon Ball where 'impure' Quincy were stronger (as with Uryu), he would not target them after knowing that because they would be more useful for him. It's also the same reason why he used Auswählen on all non-Schutzstaffel—usefulness to him. If anything, you could argue this from a "law of the jungle" mentality more than an ethnic prosecution.
False equivalence; Frieza didn't have to murder whole villages of Namekians to accomplish his goal. He did it with the explicit intent of killing them just because.
Anyway, I have things to do tomorrow, so I'll go to sleep. If you all want to keep arguing against me, I'll respond tomorrow. (I know people who view the whole discussion later might make me out to be Raven 2.0, but there's nothing that can be done about that.)
Disclaimer for those who might try to report me for some reason: I don't support or agree with genocide. I'm not validating any of the ideologies discussed in this conversation. If I'm getting banned for talking about the issue in the first place (which I don't believe would be justified since I'm not discussing contemporary politics nor anything inappropriate per se—I literally learned about genocides in elementary school), then everyone who talked with me about it should also get banned.
Edit: Since arguing about Yhwach's "genocide" does not change the fact that the Soul Society has committed more genocides and more atrocious genocides, I consider the original discussion won regarding Yhwach being less evil (while still being evil af) than the Soul Society.
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Watch.
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Cities are not the same as races
"Yeah, but he didn't do it because of their race, he just did it because they annoyed him."
Unironically though, Ywach didn't have to kill the Quincies. He still did, and guess how it ended? He failed. Miserably. And genocide can't be shrugged off with "but I had to tho uwu."
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Self defense.
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You're not addressing my argument.
The reason why he targets them is irrelevant to the fact that he targeted them in a systematic slaughter. He specifically targeted and killed a minority group and destroyed them, why he did that doesn't matter to My argument. You're not addressing the basic facts of the situation and keep appealing to intent which I keep explaining is irrelevant because the definition only focuses on specific acts.
He doesn't target Uryu because he literally can't, not because of this baseless headcanon. He targets racial minorities for slaughter.
This argument is incredibly dishonest. There's no honest comparison to be drawn here.
There's no group of people being targeted for elimination specifically. The goal of the bombs was to get a war to end, not eradicate a minority group. You're just misrepresenting history.
The argument is about the specific targeting and destruction of a minority group, which happens in the auschwalen case, not here.
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Can we just stop this stupid arguement and agree rhat murder=bad whether it is mass murder or genocides
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The Holodomor wasn't a genocide because Stalin just wanted to enact the five year plan, not necessarily kill all Ukrainians.
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There's an argument I've heard from some people that the Holodomor was mostly a mismanagement of resources by some higher-ups, kind of a general ****-up on their part.
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Anos Grandeyhwach vs Anos
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(Even without Venuzudonoa) Gaynos >yhwach vs Anos
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Voldigordyhwach vs Anos
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Ant sure hates Bleach, if he thinks Kubo is an evil person because he wrote Bleach then almost every author is evil
What more ironic is kubo is known for his goodwill, he even contributed generously to earthquake victims while other mangakas like oda are known to be friends with pedophiles
But of course "almost eveyone in bleach and Kubo is evil"
What more ironic is kubo is known for his goodwill, he even contributed generously to earthquake victims while other mangakas like oda are known to be friends with pedophiles
But of course "almost eveyone in bleach and Kubo is evil"
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bro ant doesn't know about this
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SS wanted to exterminate whole quincy race, mutilated their own savior for their own agenda, fear. Their very foundation of existence is messed up unlike quincy. They are just bunch of clowns wearing the mask of peacemakers.
If we take a look at the whole picture yhwach is clearly less evil than SS
If we take a look at the whole picture yhwach is clearly less evil than SS
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Who is his pedo friend
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Toriko author
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What did blud do
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Child prostitution.
Oda is also friends and was the student of the Ruroni Kenshin author. Yes, that one.
Arcker123
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The mismanagement was intentional and so were its consequences.
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Show me quote, link, photo, etc or is fake news.
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Kakashi Hatake vs Uryu Ishida
The characters who were deciding factors of the final boss go at it. Standard Battle Assumptions Speed equalized DMS War Arc Kakashi vs TYBW Ishida Who wins and why?
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To bring this back to Bleach,which "regular" sternritter do you wish had more screentime/a bigger role in the story?
I Know he got plenty for a regular sternritter but i still wish we got more Äs Nödt,and also wish Liltotto got a proper fight to make it more blatant she's the strongest femritter.
I Know he got plenty for a regular sternritter but i still wish we got more Äs Nödt,and also wish Liltotto got a proper fight to make it more blatant she's the strongest femritter.
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I’d probably say Liltotto as well, or any of the Bambis, really.
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Some Espada need to come back and beat up the elites at tybw
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Rip baraggan my boy
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Me too
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Leave it to the strongest Espada,Yammy,his R2 oscuras can do it.
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They're mangaka, 16 is actually pretty old for them.
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Uhhh, what if I pick Robert
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Unironically though, Japanese society is kinda ****** in some regards. I dont mean they're inferior, in case I get jumped by nation defenders, I just mean there are some weird things going on, like the work culture, and the attitudes toward age. The shit that dude was doing was legal 3 years before he did it(and was only a 2-year sentence at the time, pretty sure Shonen was considering banning him because he was arrested, not what he was arrested for, because they don't give a shit about morality), and that Rorouni Kenshin guy's stuff was COMMERCIALLY DISTRIBUTED beforehand iirc. It's the reason a bunch of manga have that weird fanservice of underage characters(Pretty sure they did this with Orihime), even if they're great on everything else.
For Oda, at least, I personally look at it as sort of a version of what I call the "George Washington Paradox," where a dude is really good in most regards for the time period and relative aspects of culture, but being in that culture leads you to have been raised in an environment that kind of gives you a set opinion on the morality of certain things, even if those things are really ******' bad.
TLDR: Bad things bad, but have you considered society?
(I still think bad things are bad, and am not condoning anything, even though someone is going to say I am. I'm just saying that sometimes there's a bunch of other things involved, and those things should also be condemned, so it's probably worse than you think.)
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