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Explain.CFYOW completely debunks the FB scaling, anyone who read the novel shouldnt agree with it
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Explain.CFYOW completely debunks the FB scaling, anyone who read the novel shouldnt agree with it
Explain.
**** nvm I agree with ur scalingThat was a good party. I wonder who was the lucky guy.
Do you have a scan where they mentioned base Aizen back from Karakura Town and not current Aizen?Joking aside, the Ginjo and Tsuki vs Candice fight, and Ginjo vs Tokinada fight, both contradicts the FB scaling as Byakuya and Tokinada are still considered far below base Aizen
Yeah,Do you have a scan where they mentioned base Aizen back from Karakura Town and not current Aizen?
He could be referring to how Aizen has more Reiatsu than Tokinada.Yeah,
“Tokinada’s spiritual pressure is a far cry from Aizen’s. That’s why I think there must be a limit to his Complete Hypnosis abilities… But even without that power, he’s still a formidable opponent.”
Kyoraku never questioned base Aizen’s KS and never thought that it would have a limit, actually, he only faced it once so he is referring to Karakura time.
This also applies to current Aizen’s level. Shunsui and the others saw his new level of power.Also,
"Tokinada’s spiritual pressure was nowhere near Aizen’s level, and because of that, it was possible for the Shikai transformation itself to be sealed through incredibly strong spiritual pressure."
?Unohana said that because of Aizen’s KS, no one in the Gotei or WoTL could defeat Aizen, that would include Yama who has a higher Reiatsu than base Aizen, Kumamura at the beginning of the Karakura fight, said that because of Aizen’s ability, we should defeat his allies and then take our time fighting with him and Yama agreed by proceeding to use his Shikai to seal Aizen with his flames and said that even Aizen won't be able to get out of there for a good period of time.
This particular part is referring to the past events. I don’t see the same with the others statements.Even Kisuke who had 100 hundreds of years to prepare didn't question Aizen’s KS, Gin spent many years searching for weakness and the only weakness he found was to put his hand on the tip of KS before Aizen releases it.
So it's clear as the sun that they are talking about base Aizen
No, it doesn't talk about the current Aizen as I already proved, if it's talking about the current Aizen why didn't Shunsui question KS at the time of Karakura?He could be referring to how Aizen has more Reiatsu than Tokinada.
This also applies to current Aizen’s level. Shunsui and the others saw his new level of power.
I'm going to bring the whole context,"Tokinada’s spiritual pressure was nowhere near Aizen’s level, and because of that, it was possible for the Shikai transformation itself to be sealed through incredibly strong spiritual pressure."
This passage here proves that all characters didn't dare to question base Aizen’s KS, while Kyoraku did question Toki’s, with all this context from Kamakura time supported by,Unohana said that because of Aizen’s KS, no one in the Gotei or WoTL could defeat Aizen, that would include Yama who has a higher Reiatsu than base Aizen, Kumamura at the beginning of the Karakura fight, said that because of Aizen’s ability, we should defeat his allies and then take our time fighting with him and Yama agreed by proceeding to use his Shikai to seal Aizen with his flames and said that even Aizen won't be able to get out of there for a good period of time.
Even Kisuke who had 100 hundreds of years to prepare didn't question Aizen’s KS, Gin spent many years searching for weakness and the only weakness he found was to put his hand on the tip of KS before Aizen releases it.
the fact that even Gin and Kisuke were spending years to prepare for Aizen, actually Gin spent many years just to find one weakness in KS that base Aizen uses, but the end it only had one weakness, the other weakness was born when Tokinada’s KS was questioned by Kyoraku, who didn't even dare to do the same with base Aizen, idk why are you even arguing against it, its clear that base Aizen never had that weaknessThis particular part is referring to the past events. I don’t see the same with the others statements.
This statement is made on page 175, on page 154 it is found out that it works in both ways so if he is weaker than them the ability is weaker. It is a simple conclusion that does not insinuate fkt.Yeah,
“Tokinada’s spiritual pressure is a far cry from Aizen’s. That’s why I think there must be a limit to his Complete Hypnosis abilities… But even without that power, he’s still a formidable opponent.”
Kyoraku never questioned base Aizen’s KS and never thought that it would have a limit, actually, he only faced it once so he is referring to Karakura time.
It does, the context of the story does prove that FKT Aizen didn't have that weakness.
headcanon, it's stated that the reason is that Tokinada had a far weaker Reiatsu, not just because his name isn't Aizen.Even more so this is presuming tokinada and aizen are the same as combatants, aizens zanpacto doesn't have a mechanic making it weaker if he is weaker than the person
Sure, I can answer this easily,The question id like to ask you is why would his hax be from a past aizen? Since the only time he should even have the sword to be able to copy it is after fkt, it's not implied to have a time related aspect so?
Which I debunked.rest is basically the same as what apple said
You didn’t post the part where Karakura Town was mentioned in context to KS. The other sentence is separate.No, it doesn't talk about the current Aizen as I already proved, if it's talking about the current Aizen why didn't Shunsui question KS at the time of Karakura?
This happened in the past Arc, and is only talking about KS only weakness known to the group.I'm going to bring the whole context,
"Kyoka Suigetsu was a zanpaku-to of absolute superior power once it was invoked. However, it had a weakness as a result of that. If the target were to touch the blade before it was invoked, then Complete Hypnosis could not be implemented.
This is Shunsui talking about how he knows KS works.Had Tokinada been Aizen, he might have been able to fulfill the conditions of having those around him see the Shikai the moment it was invoked.
This is talking about Tokinada unlocking a second weakness.However, now that someone other than Aizen was using the blade, another weakness was involved.
This doesn’t specify base Aizen as such form doesn’t exist. Base Aizen is a term we fans made up. So logically he would be talking about current Aizen unless stated otherwise.Tokinada’s spiritual pressure was nowhere near Aizen’s level, and because of that, it was possible for the shikai transformation itself to be sealed through incredibly strong spiritual pressure."
Yes.KS was a Zanpakuto of absolute superior power, it had only one weakness, it's talking about the past, not the current Aizen, but now since someone who is weaker than that Aizen is using it, and he has a far weaker Reiatsu, another weakness has appeared.
KS has not changed. The current difference is that it fused with Aizen’s body.This passage here proves that all characters didn't dare to question base Aizen’s KS, while Kyoraku did question Toki’s, with all this context from Kamakura time supported by,
Not really.the fact that even Gin and Kisuke were spending years to prepare for Aizen, actually Gin spent many years just to find one weakness in KS that base Aizen uses, but the end it only had one weakness, the other weakness was born when Tokinada’s KS was questioned by Kyoraku, who didn't even dare to do the same with base Aizen, idk why are you even arguing against it, its clear that base Aizen never had that weakness
Are you saying aizen does not have a weakness that allows people to seal his zanpactos activation, if that is what youre saying yes, your correct. The reason kyoka has that weakness NOW is because tok is using it and is weaker than aizen. This does not mean fkt aizen > tok, this mean cfyow aizen > tokIt does, the context of the story does prove that FKT Aizen didn't have that weakness.
No, it's not? Aizen factually does not have such an ability, which in context is why he suspects as much. Since we literally see him change his thought process. He even suggests current GOD aizen could be involved so no.headcanon, it's stated that the reason is that Tokinada had a far weaker Reiatsu, not just because his name isn't Aizen.
That didnt answer my question, the only time to my knowledge he should be in possession of the sword is post fkt, so why would it be the past and not the current?“Come to think of it, according to Aura, that woman who’s in league with him, he was supposedly watching the whole battle in the fake Karakura Town.”
He was watching the whole battle in Karakura town.
This literally only means post tybw, they are in cfyow, kyoka did not have this weakness until cfyow when tok copied it. Again, this does not mean fkt, ive already addressed the idea of people question ks.KS was a Zanpakuto of absolute superior power, it had only one weakness, it's talking about the past, not the current Aizen, but now since someone who is weaker than that Aizen is using it, and he has a far weaker Reiatsu, another weakness has appeared.
This passage here proves that all characters didn't dare to question base Aizen’s KS, while Kyoraku did question Toki’s, with all this context from Kamakura time supported by,
Wrong, Kumamura's statement was there in Karakura when they were going to fight Aizen, same as Unohana’s, other statements mean Aizen pre-Karakura fight didn't have that weakness which also means he was above Tokinada.You didn’t post the part where Karakura Town was mentioned in context to KS. The other sentence is separate.
Oh, so you are saying that all the soul reapers + Kisuke and others didn't know that Aizen had that extra weakness but you suddenly did only because you follow the FB scaling? come on man don't waste my time with this weak responseThis happened in the past Arc, and is only talking about KS only weakness known to the group.
I wasn't even talking at that part, I just brought the whole context, doesn't mean every single word there is relevant bro lolThis is Shunsui talking about how he knows KS works.
Thank you, so that weakness was unlocked by Tokinada because he has a weaker Reiatsu, Aizen never had that weakness.This is talking about Tokinada unlocking a second weakness.
Amazing info bruh, that's why I'm using the context because context is proving that Aizen never had that weakness at all in the whole show.This doesn’t specify base Aizen as such form doesn’t exist. Base Aizen is a term we fans made up. So logically he would be talking about current Aizen unless stated otherwise.
Good, so it doesn't talk about the current Aizen.Yes.
...how is that relevant to the topic at all?KS has not changed. The current difference is that it fused with Aizen’s body.
very much its.Not really.
No, Aizen never had that weakness because he has a higher Reiatsu, meaning even base Aizen is > Toki since he didn't have itAre you saying aizen does not have a weakness that allows people to seal his zanpactos activation, if that is what youre saying yes, your correct. The reason kyoka has that weakness NOW is because tok is using it and is weaker than aizen. This does not mean fkt aizen > tok, this mean cfyow aizen > tok
Huh? you are saying that it's not because of Reiatsu?
It did answer your question, let me explain how:That didnt answer my question, the only time to my knowledge he should be in possession of the sword is post fkt, so why would it be the past and not the current?
You didn't lmao.This literally only means post tybw, they are in cfyow, kyoka did not have this weakness until cfyow when tok copied it. Again, this does not mean fkt, ive already addressed the idea of people question ks.
Dude kyoka doesn’t have a Machenic making it weaker by extension of another. That’s specifically the draw back for tokinada.No, Aizen never had that weakness because he has a higher Reiatsu, meaning even base Aizen is > Toki since he didn't have it
That is not my argument idk what you aren’t getting.Huh? you are saying that it's not because of Reiatsu?
"Tokinada’s spiritual pressure was nowhere near Aizen’s level, and because of that, it was possible for the shikai transformation itself to be sealed through incredibly strong spiritual pressure."
Funny how you guys are ready to ignore many statements and context just to get your scaling accepted.
the statement says because of (that) ~> his reiatsu being nowhere near Aizen’s level it could be sealed, not because his name isnt Aizen.
No, nano right before says I can’t believe he can copy abilities and they then say he can’t have every.So he can use the abilities that he witnessed himself ~> then they say he was in Karakura so that explains how he could use all those abilities.
Even more so this is presuming tokinada and aizen are the same as combatants, aizens zanpacto doesn't have a mechanic making it weakerYou didn't lmao.
BroooooooooooooooooooooThat was a good party. I wonder who was the lucky guy.
Nope, that scan proves that Aizen has at least x2 Reiatsu of a captain, not just x2 mulitplication.Base Aizen had x2 Reiatsu of a captain
I already brought a statement that the weakness was unlocked because Tokinada had a weaker Reiatsu.Dude kyoka doesn’t have a Machenic making it weaker by extension of another. That’s specifically the draw back for tokinada.
You are literally ignoring the context, if Shunsui never question Aizen’s KS, and later he does question Toki’s because Toki is far weaker than Aizen, it certainly means base Aizen is above Tokinada.Shunsui thinks there is a weakness because TOKS ability makes the ability weaker if he is weaker that is the prerequisite
And we aren’t ignoring anything your literally ignoring the lost agent arc.
Bro, Nanao is just not believing that because its impressive, and also even then I never said Tokinada has every ******* ability in the whole verse, so Idk what's your point.No, nano right before says I can’t believe he can copy abilities and they then say he can’t have every.
That's a false interpretation actually, but even tho, it answers your question that since he saw them during FKT he could use them, so your point is null.The conversation then shifts to amount by saying fkt which had most of the captains
Shunsui even said “even without that power he’s a formidable opponent”
tok can use abilities he’s seen, which is why shunsui says he’s well prepared.
They are quite literally, possibly excluding fkt aizen since shunsui says “even without”
Its basically saying that this weakness was unlocked because Tokinada is weaker than Base Aizen, I don't get why you aren't admitting it tho, Aizen never had that weakness because he was stronger than Tokinada, accept it and understand that your scaling doesn't fit into the story with, thanks to CFYOWEven more so this is presuming tokinada and aizen are the same as combatants
“Had Tokinada been Aizen, he might have been able to fulfill the conditions of having those around him see the shikai the moment it was invoked. However, now that someone other than Aizen was using the blade, another weakness was involved. Tokinada’s spiritual pressure was nowhere near Aizen’s level, and because of that, it was possible for the shikai transformation itself to be sealed through incredibly strong spiritual pressure.”
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Bleach: Can’t Fear Your Own World, Vol. 3
Tite Kubo, Ryohgo Narita
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seems like they decided to use the same reasoning as the comics vine user that said garganta is outerspaceWhat the hell, we have seen common Outer space on Gremmy vs Kenpachi.
Garganta is completely opposite.
The reason why it was born 1st is he is not aizen so he does not have kyoka 2 his zanpacto makes it so he can use kyoka 3 because of its mechanics him being weaker than aizen creates a weakness.I already brought a statement that the weakness was unlocked because Tokinada had a weaker Reiatsu.
the reason why it was born was because of tok being weaker than aizen and by proxy having a limit put on it by his zanpacto, it cannot both exist before and only come to existence now.I already brought a statement that the weakness was unlocked because Tokinada had a weaker Reiatsu.
Aizen does not have tokinadas sword and as a result does not have its strengths and weakness, we see shunsui even think about that happening and he starts to shudder.You are literally ignoring the context, if Shunsui never question Aizen’s KS, and later he does question Toki’s because Toki is far weaker than Aizen, it certainly means base Aizen is above Tokinada.
my point is trying to link fkt to aizen in a power sense falls through when the reason it is being presented is because of quantity of ability, so your continued use to try and link base aizens power and toks doesnt work.Bro, Nanao is just not believing that because its impressive, and also even then I never said Tokinada has every ******* ability in the whole verse, so Idk what's your point.
That's a false interpretation actually, but even tho, it answers your question that since he saw them during FKT he could use them, so your point is null.
tok is not aizen, tok can only use kyoka with this sword, IF this was unlocked because he was weak this would've ALWAYS been a weakness that could never be applied because aizen was stronger than those around. However, that is false because it came into conception in cfyow. Aizen, I hope you do remember was a lt and before that a random that awakened a sword. These versions of aizen are not stronger than tokinada however by your logic they areIts basically saying that this weakness was unlocked because Tokinada is weaker than Base Aizen, I don't get why you aren't admitting it tho, Aizen never had that weakness because he was stronger than Tokinada, accept it and understand that your scaling doesn't fit into the story with, thanks to CFYOW
so is the argument currently that the garganta is inside the wotl and ss ?seems like they decided to use the same reasoning as the comics vine user that said garganta is outerspace
even tho we know in outer space they can die and in garganta no stars nor anything exist
that garganta is basically spaceso is the argument currently that the garganta is inside the wotl and ss ?
In that statement they are using a smilie so are we getting 5d ichigo akm approved? Bleach feasting 🍽that garganta is basically space
and that only thing on the dimensions are the planets
as for the sun, moon, stars etc. idk, might be they now saying that they are not real or something
wait link the tweet, afaik thats just one of the various arts from klub outside.
Down nefariousBrooooooooooooooooooooo
My tingly senses picked up on this. I should have Orihime pfp at some point.
u sure they aint just talking bout the war arc?Hell Arc is getting animated. That is an anime or movie sketch of Adult Ichigo dating someone (Matsumoto or Orihime?) Kubo posted it on Twitter.
Does anyone know that novel scan which talks about Soul Society as a Timeline??
That would be very helpful....
Unless I am suffering Mandela effect.
X2 i meant twice the Reiatsu of a Captain. Both Aizen and Ichigo were said to have twice the Reiatsu of a Captain. My point still stands.Nope, that scan proves that Aizen has at least x2 Reiatsu of a captain, not just x2 mulitplication.
Therefore Ichigo having x2 power of a captain doesn't mean he is equal to base Aizen which was later proved by feats, your counterargument is null.
RIPYou suffering argosax effect boy
If Soul Society can be a planet… Renji can be stronger than you think....Does Apple wanna piss me off again...
While im unsure about timelines, the anime and kubo actually do confirm bleach has multiple alternate worlds. If you remember the art for ichigo and gang in a desert. That is an world where ichigo and the gang are named slightly different and rukia is a genie
....They'll never find the bodyIf Soul Society can be a planet… Renji can be stronger than you think.