BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[AnimesFreak2]

Kazui victim fr.

Pikachu victim

Pikachu~Arceus after all

 

[AnimesFreak2]

if Love or Rose used their Hollow Masks against Masculine they would have destroyed him in a 1 on 1 let alone a 2 on 1

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

if Love or Rose used their Hollow Masks against Masculine they would have destroyed him in a 1 on 1 let alone a 2 on 1

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

naw Vollstandig Mask would destroy both of them Hollowfied
Hollow Mask Rose and Kensei (10x) > Rose and Kensei < Mask < final cheers Mask < Star Setsujin Punch (10x) < Vollstandig Mask (prolly another 10x ngl)

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

if Love or Rose used their Hollow Masks against Masculine they would have destroyed him in a 1 on 1 let alone a 2 on 1

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

"We did it. Mask de Masculine is no more, thanks to our hollow masks."

"SUUUUPAAASTAAAAARRRRR!!"

"Nevermind, we're ******."

That's all that would have changed if Kubo remembered the masks tbh.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

"We did it. Mask de Masculine is no more, thanks to our hollow masks."

"SUUUUPAAASTAAAAARRRRR!!"

"Nevermind, we're ******."

That's all that would have changed if Kubo remembered the masks tbh.

Central 46 banned Hollowfication for Vizards who rejoined the Gotei 13. Ya know, cuz central 46 are the embodiment of a traditional stubborn old man

 

[AnAverageUsername]

naw Vollstandig Mask would destroy both of them Hollowfied
Hollow Mask Rose and Kensei (10x) > Rose and Kensei < Mask < final cheers Mask < Star Setsujin Punch (10x) < Vollstandig Mask (prolly another 10x ngl)

You gotta cook with the 10x Volstandig

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Central 46 banned Hollowfication for Vizards who rejoined the Gotei 13. Ya know, cuz central 46 are the embodiment of a traditional stubborn old man

They sorta screwed over some major war power then, they should have allowed the Vizards to use Hollowfication against the Sternritters

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

Central 46 banned Hollowfication for Vizards who rejoined the Gotei 13. Ya know, cuz central 46 are the embodiment of a traditional stubborn old man

Damn, I hate the elderly. We should kill Yamamoto.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Even with the Central 46 rules, it literally is the end of the Universe at this point and a Full on War. Shunsui should've told the 46 to allow Hollowfication. He LITERALLY had the permission to temporarily RELEASE AIZEN himself. Like what?

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

if Love or Rose used their Hollow Masks against Masculine they would have destroyed him in a 1 on 1 let alone a 2 on 1

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

I don't think Hollowfied makes up the difference of fodderizing Kensei in his bankai and that wasnt even the amp where his mask turned dark against renji

 

[Blallooo]

If Shinji used Hollowfication he would still get obliterated but he'd wear a cool mask in the process

 

[That_moron2]

Star Setsujin Punch (10x)

Not in the anime iirc.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Not in the anime iirc.

Star Setsujin Punch is still in the anime goober.

Even with the Central 46 rules, it literally is the end of the Universe at this point and a Full on War. Shunsui should've told the 46 to allow Hollowfication. He LITERALLY had the permission to temporarily RELEASE AIZEN himself. Like what?

Shunsui had to threaten Central 46 to train Zaraki, and their condition for releasing Aizen was that if it goes wrong Shunsui dies trapped in Muken

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Star Setsujin Punch is still in the anime goober.



Shunsui had to threaten Central 46 to train Zaraki, and their condition for releasing Aizen was that if it goes wrong Shunsui dies trapped in Muken

Stupid old men, should have died like the last batch

 

[That_moron2]

Star Setsujin Punch is still in the anime goober.

The statement isn't.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The statement isn't.

It doesn’t need to be.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I hope Ikkaku uses his bankai again as an added fight scene in the future. Guy used it once and never again outside of the filler regai arc.

 

[Malekith]

- The episode will have 16 ELECTRIZING MINUTES of fight between Rukia/Byakuya (there will be more scenes of Rukia, since it's her fight :v) vs Äs Nödt!

- The episode will adapt from Chapter 566 to 570, and will include scenes cut from other episodes such as Ichigo's "farewell" from Zero Division, and his going to Soul Society (Chap. 555), and the execution scene of the Sternritters BG9 and Cang Du(Chap. 559)

- Äs Nödt's Vollständig will not be animated in CGI(3D) as some were imagining, and from the leaked images you can already tell that her color will be purple/violet!

- A new scene of Rukia, in the style that Byakuya had in his fight against Äs Nödt (the fly scene) will be added to the episode!

- The episode will feature participation from several different studios, including Japanese animation giant UFOTABLE (Kimetsu No Yaiba, Saga Fate)!

- Episode 19 will have no Ending, it will be action from beginning to end!

- Now, the comment of one of the Leakes about Rukia's Bankai scene:
"In that electrifying moment after Rukia's resounding 'Bankai', the English OST deftly incorporates enchanting piano melodies, heightening the emotional depth and adding a touch of mesmerizing allure to the scene.


Sources: don't ask me I just copied and pasted from a facebook page

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

- The episode will have 16 ELECTRIZING MINUTES of fight between Rukia/Byakuya (there will be more scenes of Rukia, since it's her fight :v) vs Äs Nödt!

- The episode will adapt from Chapter 566 to 570, and will include scenes cut from other episodes such as Ichigo's "farewell" from Zero Division, and his going to Soul Society (Chap. 555), and the execution scene of the Sternritters BG9 and Cang Du(Chap. 559)

- Äs Nödt's Vollständig will not be animated in CGI(3D) as some were imagining, and from the leaked images you can already tell that her color will be purple/violet!

- A new scene of Rukia, in the style that Byakuya had in his fight against Äs Nödt (the fly scene) will be added to the episode!

- The episode will feature participation from several different studios, including Japanese animation giant UFOTABLE (Kimetsu No Yaiba, Saga Fate)!

- Episode 19 will have no Ending, it will be action from beginning to end!

- Now, the comment of one of the Leakes about Rukia's Bankai scene:
"In that electrifying moment after Rukia's resounding 'Bankai', the English OST deftly incorporates enchanting piano melodies, heightening the emotional depth and adding a touch of mesmerizing allure to the scene.


Sources: don't ask me I just copied and pasted from a facebook page

Sounds accurate tbh

 

[That_moron2]

It doesn’t need to be.

Fr?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Manga can still be used to expand upon the anime if need be unless it’s contradicted.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Manga can still be used to expand upon the anime if need be unless it’s contradicted.

Fra

 

[Purgy]

It doesn’t need to be.

Going by the staff posts in your thread, a statement absent from the anime but in the manga would no longer be considered canon.

@LephyrTheRevanchist @LordGriffin1000 @KingTempest

Can you clarify your view on whether the manga or anime would take precedence in the case of discrepancies? We certainly have enough agreement to consider it canon, but we need a firmer consensus on this matter. Myself and Damage believe the manga should take precedence as the original source material, Tracer believes the anime should. It'd help if we had a decisive vote one way or the other.

To make my stance clear, I'm fine with the anime taking precedence over the manga given the situation but in the same lines of what I said before, this means that if something important is outright removed or switched (be it a feat, statement, scaling, or ability) in the anime, the orginal thing from the manga will be removed from the profiles as the anime is the improved version.

As it should be.

The anime should take precedence.

Obviously, if a statement exists in the manga but not the anime, which is the primary canon, that would be considered a discrepancy.

 

[Tyri456]

Should not the fact that Hollowfication is stated to be an amp far greater than bankai qualify to be a x10 at least?
if you take it at face value, it means that it surpass any bankai amp, which means it is greater than a x10

it also match the fact that Ichigo hollow mask against grimmjow is bigger amp than a gran ray Cero which is a bigger amp than a x10.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Should not the fact that Hollowfication is stated to be an amp far greater than bankai qualify to be a x10 at least?
if you take it at face value, it means that it surpass any bankai amp, which means it is greater than a x10

it also match the fact that Ichigo hollow mask against grimmjow is bigger amp than a gran ray Cero which is a bigger amp than a x10.

Ichigo’s Hollow Mask is 10x, but since we don’t accept any Bankai as 10x (we accept 5x), and Ichigo is special, we don’t give Hollow Mask’s 10x.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Ichigo’s Hollow Mask is 10x, but since we don’t accept any Bankai as 10x (we accept 5x), and Ichigo is special, we don’t give Hollow Mask’s 10x.

Couldn't far more experienced Gotei 13 captains and those with true bankais have the 10x end though? Since those would be the most honed with their Bankais.

 

[Tyri456]

Tbh I dont see the point to states hollowfication is far bigger than bankai as amp to then tier it as the lowest end of bankai? I think a lot of argument can be made to tier hollowfication as at least x10.
it is one of the biggest type of amp in bleach except god tier shenanigans

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Couldn't far more experienced Gotei 13 captains and those with true bankais have the 10x end though? Since those would be the most honed with their Bankais.

I don’t disagree but that’s kinda an arbitrary line to draw. And vsbw is partial to the low end

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I don’t disagree but that’s kinda an arbitrary line to draw. And vsbw is partial to the low end

True I guess, 10x Amp would be cool to see

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

My Sternritter Strength Ranking (Not based on AP, hax is considered too)

1. Jugram (Hax and Ap)
2. Lile Barro (Hax)
3. Gerard Valkyrie (Hax and Ap)
4. Gremmy (Hax and Ap)
5. Askin (Hax)
6. Pernida (Hax)
7. Bazz B (Ap)
8. Nianzol (Hax)
9. Bambietta (Hax and mobility)
10. Mask De Masculine (Growing Ap and being hard to kill somewhat)

 

[Naeblis495]

Going by the staff posts in your thread, a statement absent from the anime but in the manga would no longer be considered canon.

Obviously, if a statement exists in the manga but not the anime, which is the primary canon, that would be considered a discrepancy.

So Mask will lose his star murder punch multiplier then ?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

True I guess, 10x Amp would be cool to see

Imo we should use 7.5x since Yoruichi gave a general range, we should just take the average, it’s the least partial end.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So Mask will lose his star murder punch multiplier then ?

Potentially

 

[Tyri456]

So Mask will lose his star murder punch multiplier then ?

We should count both manga and anime canon, with the option that if the anime changes it takes priority, but this isn’t a change is just the anime being more rushed than the manga

Anyway was that multiplier even relevant for the scaling? I think not

 

[Tyri456]

My Sternritter Strength Ranking (Not based on AP, hax is considered too)

1. Jugram (Hax and Ap)
2. Lile Barro (Hax)
3. Gerard Valkyrie (Hax and Ap)
4. Gremmy (Hax and Ap)
5. Askin (Hax)
6. Pernida (Hax)
7. Bazz B (Ap)
8. Nianzol (Hax)
9. Bambietta (Hax and mobility)
10. Mask De Masculine (Growing Ap and being hard to kill somewhat)

Gerard above lille, considering no one can really kill him and he can adapts to hax too

jugram 1st with the almighty maybe, otherwise I would say Gerard is still the strongest and more haxed too

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

Gerard above lille, considering no one can really kill him and he can adapts to hax too

jugram 1st with the almighty maybe, otherwise I would say Gerard is still the strongest and more haxed too

Eh i think Lile is a more dangerous opponent personally but i dont think its a big deal

 

[Tyri456]

Eh i think Lile is a more dangerous opponent personally but i dont think its a big deal

depends on match up, but over all I agree with the list

Imo we should use 7.5x since Yoruichi gave a general range, we should just take the average, it’s the least partial end.

Imo it’s possible to push that for bankai, and then x10 for hollowfication

 

[Reio35]

My Sternritter Strength Ranking (Not based on AP, hax is considered too)

1. Jugram (Hax and Ap)
2. Lile Barro (Hax)
3. Gerard Valkyrie (Hax and Ap)
4. Gremmy (Hax and Ap)
5. Askin (Hax)
6. Pernida (Hax)
7. Bazz B (Ap)
8. Nianzol (Hax)
9. Bambietta (Hax and mobility)
10. Mask De Masculine (Growing Ap and being hard to kill somewhat)

1.jugram
2.Gerard
3. Pernida
4.askin
5.Gremmy
6. Royd
7.loyd
8.nianozl
9.Bazz b
10. Asnot

 

[AnAverageUsername]

1.jugram
2.Gerard
3. Pernida
4.askin
5.Gremmy
6. Royd
7.loyd
8.nianozl
9.Bazz b
10. Asnot

Where's Lille

 

[Twisted_Little_Raven]

1.jugram
2.Gerard
3. Pernida
4.askin
5.Gremmy
6. Royd
7.loyd
8.nianozl
9.Bazz b
10. Asnot

Oh i forgot about Royd and Loyd