BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[skippy]

Kirinji said that Urahara analyzed the water in his hot spring to create his own, does that Mean Urahara was once in the Skp?

 

[YukaSama4]

Kirinji said that Urahara analyzed the water in his hot spring to create his own, does that Mean Urahara was once in the Skp?

Maybe he created that water when he was in the gotei

 

[AnonymousBlank]

So Aizen is from a Noble Family ?

Considering the other Nobles aren’t as built different as Aizen, he must secretly be a descendant of all five families.

 

[YukaSama4]

Aizen is the Yamamoto of the new generation, Yama wasn't from a noble family nor Aizen is

 

[skippy]

Ngl Gin would have surpassed Aizen if Aizen didnt have the hogyoku, Gin is quite a lot younger than Aizen tbf

 

[YukaSama4]

Gin and Toshiro are prodigies

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

iirc Gin was like the biggest prodigy seen or sumn crazy

 

[KingogKings777]

iirc Gin was like the biggest prodigy seen or sumn crazy

Isn't it stated in the databooks or Aizen or someone that he was the biggest prodigy seen or something? Nvm, it was Ukitake though Aizen does comment he was even better then he heard.

 

[Naeblis495]

Almost sure he also have a databook statement of being an unparraleled genius/prodigy

 

[KingogKings777]

Almost sure he also have a databook statement of being an unparraleled genius/prodigy

Would this be it? Don't know if real or not.

 

[Naeblis495]

if i'm not completely trippin ,it was with a picture of young gin from turn back the pendulum. but i can't find it with a quick search

 

[KingogKings777]

if i'm not completely trippin ,it was with a picture of young gin from turn back the pendulum. but i can't find it with a quick search

Chapter 315.5 on manga site.

 

[Purgy]

I can't remember which one states it either, 13 Blades calls him a "child prodigy" and mentions that he was immediately made a seated officer but nothing about an unparalleled prodigy.

 

[Tyri456]

I would say toshiro is bigger prodigy.

I can’t see gin became as strong as adult Toshiro honestly, gin was already in adult age in the FKT arc.

actually Toshiro basically surpassed Yama and Aizen by just aging, which is hella impressive since we know how strong zaraki and Yama are.

 

[AKUTO123]

I would say toshiro is bigger prodigy.

I can’t see gin became as strong as adult Toshiro honestly, gin was already in adult age in the FKT arc.

actually Toshiro basically surpassed Yama and Aizen by just aging, which is hella impressive since we know how strong zaraki and Yama are.

It's good to see someone who appreciates Toshiro.

 

[KingogKings777]

actually Toshiro basically surpassed Yama and Aizen by just aging, which is hella impressive since we know how strong zaraki and Yama are.

Lol, good one.

 

[Blallooo]

Biggest prodigy is yushiro you all, young and still beat the shit out of Askin for a while

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

He’s probably older than 17 year old Ichigo ngl

 

[Tyri456]

There are really people thinking shikai Yama > adult toshiro?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ya thats me

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

There are really people thinking shikai Yama > adult toshiro?

Do you think Post RG Byakuya is at all relative to Adult Toshiro?

 

[Tyri456]

Do you think Post RG Byakuya is at all relative to Adult Toshiro?

No

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No

Interesting, how do you rationalize Byakuya harm Gerard? And that the plan was for Toshiro to freeze Gerard while Byakuya did the actual damage, implying Byakuya has greater destructive power.

 

[Malekith]

Interesting, how do you rationalize Byakuya harm Gerard? And that the plan was for Toshiro to freeze Gerard while Byakuya did the actual damage, implying Byakuya has greater destructive power.

Does Gerard's frost resistance not count in this process?

 

[KingogKings777]

Interesting, how do you rationalize Byakuya harm Gerard? And that the plan was for Toshiro to freeze Gerard while Byakuya did the actual damage, implying Byakuya has greater destructive power.

Didn't Byakuya block attacks with his flowers compared to Toshiro who dodged?

 

[Tyri456]

Interesting, how do you rationalize Byakuya harm Gerard? And that the plan was for Toshiro to freeze Gerard while Byakuya did the actual damage, implying Byakuya has greater destructive power.

that is a bit cherry picking actually, but let me explain.

byakuya with shikai alone wasn’t even able to damage the first giant form of Gerard, when zaraki was already cutting the first giant Gerard in base
and adult Toshiro was cutting the hoffung like butter when shikai zaraki could not. Which is tremendously impressive given hoffung durability. Can’t say the same for Gerard. Or byakuya.

from that we can already say base zaraki > shikai byakuya/normal Toshiro.

byakuya just have that feat, in bankai, when Gerard was frozen, so that’s probably the reason why it worked to begin with.

being part of the plan to attack gerard doesn’t mean being stronger than adult Toshiro, Toshiro was the only one here able to spar and block the strongest Gerard for a bit even in 1vs1, keeping up with speed too, even after getting amped by bankai zaraki damage. Byakuya could not 1vs1 even the first form of giant Gerard. The difference is massive.

the thing are just 2 or we say byakuya bankai was helped by Toshiro frezzing or byakuya bankai has an enourmous out of the world amp. Which is not included in his normal scaling comparison, such as when he was compared to shunsui.

either way adult Toshiro spites him, faster stronger better hax, better feats.

 

[Tyri456]

Didn't Byakuya block attacks with his flowers compared to Toshiro who dodged?

Byakuya never did that. at least not against the relevant form of Gerard.

 

[Tyri456]

And Toshiro never needed to dodge Gerard.

adult Toshiro could literally freeze in mid air Gerard throwing him his shiled and block his punches with freeze alone mid air. And 1vs1 him for a bit Keeping up with the speed.

and that was literally a post bankia zaraki amped Gerard.

thinking byakuya is stronger than adult Toshiro is crazy to me.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Toshiro has worse physical feats against Gerard than Byakuya

 

[Tyri456]

Toshiro has worse physical feats against Gerard than Byakuya

No he does not bruh
curting the hoffung when shikai zaraki could not is >

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No he does not bruh
curting the hoffung when shikai zaraki could not is >

Ripping apart Gerard's head > chipping his sword

 

[Tyri456]

Ripping apart Gerard's head > chipping his sword

you ignored everything I wrote, and nothing really say Gerard frozen head > his sword.

Though I don’t care how this wiki scales stuff, that’s my scaling in my book.

if people want to make toshiro = byakuya then go on, it is not like I disagree I was supporting it in the past.

then you have to follow CFYOW and put shikai Yama > vollstading Gerard

which is something Ill never do

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

you ignored everything I wrote, and nothing really say Gerard frozen head > his sword.

Though I don’t care how this wiki scales stuff, that’s my scaling in my book.

if people want to make toshiro = byakuya then go on, it is not like I disagree I was supporting it in the past.

then you have to follow CFYOW and put shikai Yama > vollstading Gerard

which is something Ill never do

Byakuya destroyed more of Gerard's body than Toshiro did his weapon

 

[Tyri456]

Byakuya destroyed more of Gerard's body than Toshiro did his weapon

You seems to forgot the moment byakuya hit Toshiro instantly froze gerard whole body hence why it worked so well

and I don’t recall Gerard body tanking zaraki hit at all, however the the hoffung did It.

 

[Naeblis495]

Bankai Byakuya blocked a hit from final form Gerard. That automatically put him above Adult Hitsu and Zaraki in the TYBW.

Also, since when hitsu freezing stuff lower their durability ? Was that ever mentionned somewhere ?

 

[KingogKings777]

Bankai Byakuya blocked a hit from final form Gerard. That automatically put him above Adult Hitsu and Zaraki in the TYBW.

Also, since when hitsu freezing stuff lower their durability ? Was that ever mentionned somewhere ?

Nope, it only stopped the ability of his sword and froze energy.

 

[Naeblis495]

that's what i thought, so hitsu freezing Gerard body isn't an argument to downplay Byakuya's attack wich vaporized Gerard's head.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You seems to forgot the moment byakuya hit Toshiro instantly froze gerard whole body hence why it worked so well

and I don’t recall Gerard body tanking zaraki hit at all, however the the hoffung did It.

Prove that lowered his durability

 

[Purgy]

Bankai Byakuya blocked a hit from final form Gerard. That automatically put him above Adult Hitsu and Zaraki in the TYBW.

Also, since when hitsu freezing stuff lower their durability ? Was that ever mentionned somewhere ?

It can be argued that something which is completely frozen solid would break and shatter pretty easily

iirc that was the reason Byakuya's High 6-A rating was treated as a possibly for a year or two

 

[Naeblis495]

I can't remember which one states it either, 13 Blades calls him a "child prodigy" and mentions that he was immediately made a seated officer but nothing about an unparalleled prodigy.

Found it :

I wasn't trippin