BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[CalmHill]

ok so firstly great work on having those I appreciate it, however I’d have to say it’s a possibility not certain since it doesn’t say burnt out of existence.

斬るもの全てを爆炎で釣き尽くすリ。豪火の剣だ

It's a sword that catches everything it slashes in an explosion of flame. It's a sword of great fire.

if it’s erasing a konpaku that should be existence erasure but I don’t see no one else getting existence erasure for that
Even though they are able to

Yamamoto's bankai may have existence erasure as well. I will include both viz and the fan translation here, though one statement is mistranslated by viz, which I will also point out.

fan translation:

This is what just the tip touching the ground does

"heaven and earth, ashes and nothingness"

Heres what it does to this yhwach copy

Viz:

This one is the mistranslated one:

It should be the same as the fan translation.

 

[Reio35]

how small is a reishi particle

Atomic at least. We know aizen can reduce ichigo to atoms and he's made of reshi. Their for those atoms are made of reshi as reshi makes up everything spiritual.

 

[CalmHill]

GRC Space Warp Calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

Even more Consistent, shinji questions if grimmjow and luppi intend to destroy the sun by using a grand re cero.
Even even more consistent in the 2nd bleach ova they are now planetary at Bankai ichigo tier
Even even even more consistent the sogyoku can destroy the soul society and ichigo blocks it and breaks the scaffold which is just as strong ?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Personally I prefer to stick with destruction of the outer structure of LN, but the rest of y'all can go wild.

 

[Reio35]

Even more Consistent, shinji questions if grimmjow and luppi intend to destroy the sun by using a grand re cero.
Even even more consistent in the 2nd bleach ova they are now planetary at Bankai ichigo tier
Even even even more consistent the sogyoku can destroy the soul society and ichigo blocks it and breaks the scaffold which is just as strong ?

Also consistent with 50 members of the kido corpse being able to nuke the Valley of screams

 

[Cyberblader90]

dont use the shinji quote lol

 

[Cyberblader90]

las noches sun is stated as fake:

 

[Loyd]

GRC Space Warp Calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

If someone like base grimmjow could do that i kinda wish kubo showed us the full warping effect if not more devastating after effect of TS ichigo level using it in conjunction with getsuga

 

[CalmHill]

las noches sun is stated as fake:

The castle is called fake as well, but we know a structure exists. they are not meant to be literal in that scene. If you want to claim so the statement falls on itself. She’s obviously not saying that if you take the structure out that it would not visibly illuminate hueco mundo. It’s meant to be the false control/reach/system (narrative guys go crazy) of aizen. Not being able to “illuminate” or lead hueco mundo. Just as she can’t and it does not need a leader because of it.

I also don’t think I need to say that fake can just mean artificial. Which may not even be true…since it’s light affects arren but other light doesn’t, not even just once but like…5+ times from things like the fire from the torches or kidos.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah it's cool to see how insanely massive and how much energy a dense ball of that size would have to have to bend light even a couple degrees. It was a fun refresher on gravitational lensing too. I don't find it very consistent unless you're generous with Sokyoku scaling.

 

[Reio35]

Personally I prefer to stick with destruction of the outer structure of LN, but the rest of y'all can go wild.

Lol just realized GRC does been light to an extreme degree.

"The wake of the light wriggled black like a heat shimmer"

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Rough calculation of the bend angle aligns fairly well with eyeballing it, comes out to a couple degrees.

 

[GroundX1]

GRC Space Warp Calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

sad, it won't be usable

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Go use it off site in debates, spread its notoriety.

 

[GroundX1]

Although it doesn't seem like... I care about consistency

 

[CalmHill]

dont use the shinji quote lol

I think the statement is fine especially since it’s odd for shinji to be joking in that scene. Since shinji doesn’t joke like that, double up, or even have that cadence when joking. Compare page 143 to 144. He winced and then made the comment while calmly gauging if he could fight them. It’s pointing out the cero itself, Espada exclusive which was introduced to bust los noches which has a star. Consistent

 

[Tyri456]

I really hate what Viz did with Yamamoto if those raw are correct they have a really different meaning, that is why I always prefer fan translation even do sometimes are difficult to read they translate literally, tho they still doesn’t convince me at 100% If Yamamoto truly erase or just vaporise dont know why.

 

[Reio35]

Tbh ichigo and aizen should have EE like yama because their spirit energy is leagues higher. Yama has EE because of his reiastu

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think the statement is fine especially since it’s odd for shinji to be joking in that scene. Since shinji doesn’t joke like that, double up, or even have that cadence when joking. Compare page 143 to 144. He winced and then made the comment while calmly gauging if he could fight them. It’s pointing out the cero itself, Espada exclusive which was introduced to bust los noches which has a star. Consistent

The kanji used is common for hyperbole, metaphorical use, as opposed to literal.

 

[Tyri456]

Aizen has existence erasure if I remember correctly
Yama not sure
I think Aizen had some statements when he become trascedent in karakura, Aizen reiastu was always out of the ordinary even while restrained was erasing people near him on the war arc, now imagine an Aizen without restriction

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Aizen has existence erasure if I remember correctly
Yama not sure
I think Aizen had some statements when he become trascedent in karakura, Aizen reiastu was always out of the ordinary even while restrained was erasing people near him on the war arc, now imagine an Aizen without restriction

yama alredy has statements + him showing to not burn but erase what he touches like the ground or fake YH body

 

[Loyd]

now imagine an Aizen without restriction

i think its the inverse, the black straps specifically compress all of it near him which would be more dangerous.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I appreciate the info arc, then unrelated to this has los noches having a star been brought up before? The 2nd bleach guide book states that there is a sun, the french version of unmasked also says so. And going back to the manga and anime there is definite spatial distortion with the canopy, from above the canopy you cannot leave holes. Cero oscuras doesnt leave a hole, the anime has fh ichigos hole not appear in place for ulqs and the manga it seems ichigos overlapped ulqs. With 2 holes from yammy kenpachi and byaks fight being shown at the end. The cracks on the sky itself also looks the exact same as the crack by the menos grande back in chapter 50, which had to be "fixed" by tessai.

Hey if you have scans for these can you share them.

 

[AppleLord]

What’s going on?

 

[Thehunter077]

Does @Thehunter077 have a Bankai?

I'm a higher dimensional being and don't need that shit

 

[Tyri456]

i think its the inverse, the black straps specifically compress all of it near him which would be more dangerous.

he was already doing that on karakura, same thing

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

I am back. After who knows how long...was it a few weeks?

 

[Ssr4vegito]

Does anybody know where to get the chapters in Japanese ?

 

[CalmHill]

Hey if you have scans for these can you share them.

los noches space

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869035406040129577/881514634090262579/image0.jpg?width=450&height=675 Cero osc does not leave a hole Not in the anime either Initial hole by ulq - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869035406040129577/881514966140719114/image1.png?width=1440&he...

docs.google.com

 

[AppleLord]

I am back. After who knows how long...was it a few weeks?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

los noches space

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869035406040129577/881514634090262579/image0.jpg?width=450&height=675 Cero osc does not leave a hole Not in the anime either Initial hole by ulq - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869035406040129577/881514966140719114/image1.png?width=1440&he...

docs.google.com

Thanks

 

[CalmHill]

The kanji used is common for hyperbole, metaphorical use, as opposed to literal.

you got the kanji in question somewhere?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I haven’t been able to look into myself, I’m going off good faith from what another user said a while back.

 

[Cyberblader90]

I asked my Japanese friend for help. Please look 83 page. https://shonenjumpplus.com/episode/10834108156632346601

お天道さんでも落とす気かい. This is original text.
天道 means 'sun'. 落とす means 'dropping', not destroying. It's commonly used Metaphor in Japan. So, that paragraph is not accepted.



https://ifh.cc/v-s0n9Kz

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Does the dude have any sources to support his claim outside of "friend told me so"? Not that I don't believe him, but I'm sure others would appreciate a source as opposed to putting it on faith.

 

[Luziifero]

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Seems far too good to be true, I'm gonna say fake.

 

[AppleLord]

What if I told you I have evidence Ichigo’s black Getsuga gives him an additional x10 multiplier than his normal blue (anime) yellow (manga) Getsuga?

 

[Theendzero13]

What if I told you I have evidence Ichigo’s black Getsuga gives him an additional x10 multiplier than his normal blue (anime) yellow (manga) Getsuga?

I heard something of the sorts a couple of times in the past, can you give the ones you found

 

[AppleLord]

I pass them on Discord. I have him post them here, if is possible. My Internet is very slow today. If not I will post the images tomorrow.