BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Arc7Kuroi]

Imagine debating with Apple on scaling. Good luck.

I've since learned the errs of my ways, roughly 15-20 minutes ago...

Y'all just ignore him this ain't gonna go anywhere.

 

[YukaSama4]

It was even difficult for people to put Post Dangai Ichigo on par with true Shikai initially for how strong he was, this is some weird as **** scaling, the narrative is pretty clear about the tiering of God Aizen and Dangai Ichigo.

He is right, Renji said he has trained enough to deal with someone on the level of Aizen which means Renji > any Aizen before tybw

 

[AppleLord]

You thinking you debunked me =/= I'm debunked.

I'm done talking with you over this cuz it's clearly going in circles and everyone agrees with me anyhow. I've got the majority vote secured, thus I've copped the bag and I'm out. I have nothing left to prove to you.

Move on bud.

You can say all you want. You can't make a rebuttal against facts. You never proved Aizen was above two arms Shikai Yamamoto. Yhwach said one arm Yamamoto was weaker than his two arm version.

Arc7Kuroi said:
Yamamoto tanking his own Shikai overtime flames which would scale above his regular flames because he needed to prep the overtime flames.

Base Yamamoto tanking FULL OVERTIME FLAMES from his own Shikai.

Arc7Kuroi said:
Base Aizen stabbing Yamamoto.

Yamamoto let himself get stabbed to grabbed Aizen's hand.

Arc7Kuroi said:
Base Aizen tanking Yamamoto's sacrificial kido.

Aizen got small burns from Base Yamamoto's kido while he had already tanked flames from his shikai.

 

[YukaSama4]

Also since Aizen has lost all of his powers, it's pretty safe to say Renji is above TYBW Aizen which proves why my guy was standing against Yhwach there in the soul society with Ichigo, he sure is a beast

 

[Tyri456]

He is right, Renji said he has trained enough to deal with someone on the level of Aizen which means Renji > any Aizen before tybw

It is never stated that Renji could beat Aizen, it is just stated that he trained because they were weak af for those type of treat but it doesn’t mean they are stronger than God Aizen.

 

[YukaSama4]

It is never stated that Renji could beat Aizen, it is just stated that he trained because they were weak af for those type of treat but it doesn’t mean they are stronger than God Aizen.

Nah its supported by the fact that Renji could stand against Yhwach in TYBW better than Ichibe who is above TS Ichigo because he trained him who is equal to mugetsu who destroyed Aizen, simple as that Im trolling at this point so relax lmao

 

[Tyri456]

Nah its supported by the fact that Renji could stand against Yhwach in TYBW better than Ichibe who is above TS Ichigo because he trained him who is equal to mugetsu who destroyed Aizen, simple as that Im trolling at this point so relax lmao

Spoiler: .

bruh

 

[AppleLord]

This is not obviously the same thing, stop manipulating context.

Pure Shinigami can’t even reach that level because they have an inner limit, the very transcendental pressure was obtained by Aizen, look again at Urahara and Isshin reaction, it’s completely different, everyone could feel yamamoto reiastu.
this has nothing to do with that, also because it was never brought up before by Aizen that knew Yamamoto.
This is just a fancy way to say he was strong by Ukitake. But it has nothing to do to the type of spiritual pressure obtained by Ichigo and Aizen.

1. FKTA Ichigo was not transcendent and was able to sense Transcdent Aizen's reiatsu.
2. Yhwach was said to be transcendent in the light novels, and Byakuya, and other Shinigami sensed Yhwach's reiatsu in the manga.
3. Aizen said transcendent beings can be sense if limited to their level.
4. Hikone is transcendent and Kenpach fought them.
5. Kenpachi's reiatsu is hinted to be transcendent in the manga yet Hitsugaya and Byakuya sense his reiatsu when he goes bankai.

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

I agree with OrangeGod For Reasons Below.

 

[AppleLord]

If Shikai Kenpachi is transcendent that means Base Yhwach and Gremmy were transcendent too.

Unohana told Kenpachi Base Yhwach was his equal now, and Gremmy was the second strongest to Base Yhwach, and Gremmy fought Shikai Kenpachi who fought and almost killed transcendent Hikone.

 

[Tyri456]

Shikai Kenapchi its not transcendent, it’s never hinted to be transcendental, if you are referring to the gremmy fight it’s because he completely changed reiastu after the fight with unohana, in fact as soon as shinigami see him with their eyes, they all recognise his spiritual pressure, as everyone in the novel. Neither kenpachi and Yamamoto are transcendental. because they are pure shinigami.

Ichigo was able to sense it because he was always an Hybrid.

being transcendental doesn’t mean being absolutely stronger than anyone, especially if you don’t have control of your power.

 

[YukaSama4]

the new tower in bbs is cancer, they are asking me to have Sode no shershit to finish that specific stage

 

[AppleLord]

Shikai Kenapchi its not transcendent, it’s never hinted to be transcendental, if you are referring to the gremmy fight it’s because he completely changed reiastu after the fight with unohana, in fact as soon as shinigami see him with their eyes, they all recognise his spiritual pressure, as everyone in the novel. Neither kenpachi and Yamamoto are transcendental. because they are pure shinigami.

Ichigo was able to sense it because he was always an Hybrid.

being transcendental doesn’t mean being absolutely stronger than anyone, especially if you don’t have control of your power.

this dude wrote what he thought made sense but completely ignore that Kenpachi stomp a transcendent being which makes no sense with what he is trying to say above

 

[Tyri456]

this dude wrote what he thought made sense but completely ignore that Kenpachi stomp a transcendent being which makes no sense with what he is trying to say above

I didn’t ignored it, I literally wrote the reason.
Dude you literally have every characters above Tsukishima on transcendent level, basically half of the cast of bleach.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

And so, more people fell for apple's trolling on this day than any before

 

[KazuiK]

Is Yhwach unable to nullify Ichigo's powers? He needed to break his Bankai even though he had the almighty, unlike Ichibei.

 

[AppleLord]

I didn’t ignored it, I literally wrote the reason.
Dude you literally have every characters above Tsukishima on transcendent level, basically half of the cast of bleach.

I could be blind. Could you quote yourself, where you wrote the reason for the reason Shikai Kenpachi STOMP transcendent Hikone? HOW DID NORMAL SHINIGAMI SENSED YHWACH'S TRANSCENDENT REIATSU?

 

[KazuiK]

And so, more people fell for apple's trolling on this day than any before

how to cut to words?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

how to cut to words?

With Ichimonji ofc

 

[Loyd]

how to cut to words?

highlight word ctrl+s or strike thru in more options

 

[KazuiK]

With Ichimonji ofc

Lol

highlight word ctrl+s or strike thru in more options

Unfortunately I use cell phone

 

[YukaSama4]

Yo didn't Grimmjow fight both Tsuki and base Ginjo in the novel, my boi Grimm is above God Aizen even when the same novel says base Aizen stomps him
lmao lets just finish this topic

 

[YukaSama4]

Lol

Unfortunately I use cell phone

from the options u will find it, click on those 3 points that are next to the colour option u will find a S that got stroke through

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Is Yhwach unable to nullify Ichigo's powers? He needed to break his Bankai even though he had the almighty, unlike Ichibei.

Hax wise ye, but Yhwach does not neg AP and stats

 

[OverlordDonnelly]

And so, more people fell for apple's trolling on this day than any before

True, but "I was only pretending to be stupid!" is the lowest form of trolling. No effort, no respect, 2/10

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

True, but "I was only pretending to be stupid!" is the lowest form of trolling. No effort, no respect, 2/10

He did baited a lot of people tho. So he gets brawny points

 

[KazuiK]

from the options u will find it, click on those 3 points that are next to the colour option u will find a S that got stroke through

Thanks

Hax wise ye, but Yhwach does not neg AP and stats

I mean, he was still able to use the GT but I understand what you mean, I expect an Ichigo Hax in the anime, it's sad to think that Yhwach feared a Bankai that only increases his physical capabilities.

Also it cannot negate the GT and is consistent with it being resistant to power cancellation, that is if the addition CRT is accepted.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Thanks

I mean, he was still able to use the GT but I understand what you mean, I expect an Ichigo Hax in the anime, it's sad to think that Yhwach feared a Bankai that only increases his physical capabilities.

Also it cannot negate the GT and is consistent with it being resistant to power cancellation, that is if the addition CRT is accepted.

I mean GT is just ichigo putting his energy on a big "**** everything in that direction" there is no hax behind it, is like a super strong punch

 

[Reio35]

I find it weird how kazui can just change his human form to shimigami

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I find it weird how kazui can just change his human form to shimigami

That's the weird part, not how he sends people to Hell with a smile

 

[Loyd]

yea for his age kazui seems to know/is doing alot of random stuff, that ichigo/captains can't or even know about.

 

[Reio35]

That's the weird part, not how he sends people to Hell with a smile

Hes probably being manipulated by someone in hell. When he summoned the eyeballs they had check who it before it opened the portal. Wonder if hell is somewhere in the garganta

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Hes probably being manipulated by someone in hell. When he summoned the eyeballs they had check who it before it opened the portal. Wonder if hell is somewhere in the garganta

My headcanon is that Kazui is just extremely based.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

My headcanon is that Kazui is just extremely based.

Probably thinks that sending them to hell gets them some TLC

 

[AppleLord]

I find it weird how kazui can just change his human form to shimigami

And you don’t find weird that Kazui knows he has two bow twice and clap to open a gate to Hell?

 

[Thehunter077]

the new tower in bbs is cancer, they are asking me to have Sode no shershit to finish that specific stage

Its ez if you have beyond bankai Kyoraku

 

[Cyberblader90]

any feats of superhuman vision for shinigami?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

can someone refresh my memory of what the 5 nobles wanted?

like 1 to separate life, dead and hollow
other to purify hollow
other to seal hell

 

[AnonymousBlank]

……… it looks like the Apple stuff is over …….. lemme restart it just cuz y’all didn’t go the easy way.

@AppleLord Earlier the others said that Tsukishima’s past timelines don’t mean anything when you used them to say Aizen would still be Transcendent and his normal strength in that form right?

Edit: Also can people not respond to Apple so he doesn’t start responding to other arguments.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Nooooooooooo