BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Arc7Kuroi]

doesn't the same thing apply with blut? blut is more related with bankai which is a general boost compared to volstandig and despite that we got different rankings

No because Blut has a baseline with a Bankai level amp, but we know that Blut can go beyond a Bankai level amp depending on the good a Quincy is with Blut. Hence why such things like "Blut Vene prodigies" exist as seen with Ichigo's mom.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

that is true, even bankai can vary between 5x and 10x but is there anything suggesting they grant the same amps to everyone? (volstandig that is)

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

that is true, even bankai can vary between 5x and 10x but is there anything suggesting they grant the same amps to everyone? (volstandig that is)

Bankai can vary yes but generally it has a concrete range right. So while there are certainly exceptions, those exceptions are normally pretty obvious and not the norm.

Yeah the Bambis are portrayed relative in base and Vollstandig.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Bankai can vary yes but generally it has a concrete range right. So while there are certainly exceptions, those exceptions are normally pretty obvious and not the norm.

Yeah the Bambis are portrayed relative in base and Vollstandig.

I don't think that proves the amps are the same, you're relying on superiority for scaling and then using relativity to prove them which idk what you wanna use to say theyre relative


anyways the argument that the ranking exists in a general sense is disproven by the blut rankings, so its clearly not in general, now the remaining other argument to make is that the amps are the same but I'm skeptical to that because volstandig is a superior and more spammable version of letz still, and both of those techniques involved using the environment to amp yourself, we see candice's one pop out unintentionally thanks to the environment, if it is environmental reliant it is going to vary which defeats the point of them being the same amp

and it being something you can learn as stated in the earlier scan+ requiring control so as to not accidentally pop them out means its a skill based technique, makes me lean towards believing it would be like blut as you described earlier

 

[Godernet]

Can y’all do this on Twitter or sumn? This virtual dick measuring competition is cringe

Edit: or just make vs matches or sumn

Someone on twt once said goons treat HST arguments like gang disputes

That mf was spot on

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't think that proves the amps are the same, you're relying on superiority for scaling and then using relativity to prove them which idk what you wanna use to say theyre relative


anyways the argument that the ranking exists in a general sense is disproven by the blut rankings, so its clearly not in general, now the remaining other argument to make is that the amps are the same but I'm skeptical to that because volstandig is a superior and more spammable version of letz still, and both of those techniques involved using the environment to amp yourself, we see candice's one pop out unintentionally thanks to the environment, if it is environmental reliant it is going to vary which defeats the point of them being the same amp

and it being something you can learn as stated in the earlier scan+ requiring control so as to not accidentally pop them out means its a skill based technique, makes me lean towards believing it would be like blut as you described earlier

I disagree with a lot of your assertions, especially with them mattering to my claim, since they don't address my arguments, but I don't really care to debate about it, since either way they're in the same relative tier whether you think one is 5x stronger than the other or not.

If I ever get the time and motivation, maybe I'll put together a robust argument with scans and whatnot, until then we can agree to disagree.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I disagree with a lot of your assertions, especially with them mattering to my claim, since they don't address my arguments, but I don't really care to debate about it, since either way they're in the same relative tier whether you think one is 5x stronger than the other or not.

If I ever get the time and motivation, maybe I'll put together a robust argument with scans and whatnot, until then we can agree to disagree.

that's fine but at least tell me which part do you think didn't matter to your claim?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

that's fine but at least tell me which part do you think didn't matter to your claim?

The notion that the Kubo statement excludes Vollstandig + the environment stuff (the conclusion you draw)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I didnt say his statement excludes vollstandig, I said having different blut rankings disprove the notion that the base rankings reflect general power (aka saying x>y would mean x with bankai>y with bankai which is what you were proposing via referencing via the broader ranking)


and the environment+skill stuff is relevant because they are amp defining variables, can't propose the same amp for everyone when the boost is sourced from varying sources

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I didnt say his statement excludes vollstandig, I said having different blut rankings disprove the notion that the base rankings reflect general power (aka saying x>y would mean x with bankai>y with bankai which is what you were proposing via referencing via the broader ranking)


and the environment+skill stuff is relevant because they are amp defining variables, can't propose the same amp for everyone when the boost is sourced from varying sources

Yeah I'm aware of your stance

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

well now you know why it is relevant

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

well now you know why it is relevant

I still disagree but I'm content agreeing to disagree for the moment. Which you'll have to accept as well, since I'm too busy to give your response the attention it deserves.

 

[KingogKings777]

99% of ANY bleach versus threads here..
Can they see them?
Can they interact with them?
Do they have resteince to soul bs?
Soul crush gg.

Hate bleach verus threads.

Same, people really think Bleach characters stand a chance against Honkai which is sad.

 

[Ebihara]

Same, people really think Bleach characters stand a chance against Honkai which is sad.

HSR charcters are also hyper cringe for versus threads.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I still disagree but I'm content agreeing to disagree for the moment. Which you'll have to accept as well, since I'm too busy to give your response the attention it deserves.

it's fine if you don't respond to it, I was merely explaining relevance

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Didnt say you had to agree, just pointed out why they would be relevant

I know and I know why you think it's relevant, thanks for further clarifying to confirm such.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I know and I know why you think it's relevant, thanks for further clarifying to confirm such.

one more thing, where does Sajin's 440 PTs come from?

His base goes from 7B and jumps to H6A

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

~400 PT ~ FKT Tosen ~ FKT Komamura's durability < TYBW Komamura's durability ~ Bambi's AP ~ Komamura's AP

aka Komamura can clash with Bambi who can harm him (aka AP relativity), and Komamura has good durability scaling. Truthfully, FKT Komamura's AP should scale to his durability given how the mechanics of spirit energy works for Shinigami (minus edge cases) in AP ~ durability relativity. But the above scaling chain doesn't rely on energy system scaling, so it's easier for people who don't know Bleach in and out to understand more easily.

Edit: I'm going to bed and got work, so if you got any more questions, hit up my message wall

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

aight makes sense

 

[AppleLord]

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[Adam1396]

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