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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

May I know why the cosmology is rated as 3A possibly L2C instead of either 3A or L2C

I couldnt find any blogs that discuss it, I assume it's in some ancient crt
 
Ichigo thinks him and Uryu need to team up to defeat Almighty Jugram is all I’m gonna say.

The scaling is a bit nuanced but I think y’all will see the vision when I post my thread.
 
May I know why the cosmology is rated as 3A possibly L2C instead of either 3A or L2C

I couldnt find any blogs that discuss it, I assume it's in some ancient crt
3-A, possibly Low 2-C comes from a compromise of what “destroying all of Soul Society means”. That compromise being whether they’re destroying the spacetime continuum or just the physical universe.
 
3-A, possibly Low 2-C comes from a compromise of what “destroying all of Soul Society means”. That compromise being whether they’re destroying the spacetime continuum or just the physical universe.
is there a blog or crt where this was decided that you could kindly point me to?

I assumed the 2C stuff came from Dangai and Garganta embedding the structures as lower subsets
 
Two questions:
1. Is Gerard affected by Renji's scaling?

2. Is Ichigo's Zanpakuto hanging feat telekinesis?
Hachi knows healing and it’s stated it can restore even Reiryoku in bleach, so I go with the easiest interpretation Renji is just healed.

In the manga Renji was fine and he still get KO’d, mind you Kubo wrote it.

Shinji is also shown relative to Byakuya,and I believe Byakuya > Renji.

At this point I just put Uryu hold back and never got injured anyway so I don’t apply scaling between him and Renji. I think it’s reasonable.

If there will be any clear way to scale Renji higher via nerf I’ll be open, but the Gerard thing for me now is author intent that just byakuya zaraki and Toshiro are build enough to fight gerard.

Or other options, is upscaling lot of people around s0. Which is debatable ig.
 
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Ichigo thinks him and Uryu need to team up to defeat Almighty Jugram is all I’m gonna say.

The scaling is a bit nuanced but I think y’all will see the vision when I post my thread.
I think as well Almighty Jugram can be scaled near Almighty Yhwach somehow
 
is there a blog or crt where this was decided that you could kindly point me to?

I assumed the 2C stuff came from Dangai and Garganta embedding the structures as lower subsets
Got decided years ago in an AKM thread I think.

There is no 2-C stuff on the profiles. I've got a 2-C Bleach thread that will be coming out before January ends, so that should have your answers. In the mean time, this thread starts to touch on why the realms CAN refer to universes: https://vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ and more specifically that why in the case of Squad 0 they're referring to the universe and not the planet.
 
Got decided years ago in an AKM thread I think.
oh man

There is no 2-C stuff on the profiles. I've got a 2-C Bleach thread that will be coming out before January ends, so that should have your answers
Fairs

In the mean time, this thread starts to touch on why the realms CAN refer to universes: https://vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ and more specifically that why in the case of Squad 0 they're referring to the universe and not the planet.
You've shown this to me before I agree with it
 
 
It was during an era where we took what we could get lmao, unfortunately the "uni Bleach wars" spanned several threads that were often just continuations of each other, so there's no one thread I can point you too. Plus I think a lot of my older arguments just outright suck lol

Yeah I'm kinda going at the pace of the anime, since they're adding so much new stuff I figured it's best to wait before as cours go. I want to make a cosmology blog once the anime is fully concluded. Granted that won't be for like another year lol.

You've shown this to me before I agree with it
Based. I wanna say I proposed 2-C in that thread, but idk if I really agree with 2-C that much, I think 4-A is probably better and less speculative.
 
It was during an era where we took what we could get lmao, unfortunately the "uni Bleach wars" spanned several threads that were often just continuations of each other, so there's no one thread I can point you too. Plus I think a lot of my older arguments just outright suck lol
I understand it is bleach's version of ETSO drama and would naturally lead to that but assuming you were present there could you give me a TLDR of where the tier 2 is coming from?


Tbh after cour 4 is probably the best if you wish to take back 2C bleach as it would have the most anime canon content itll likely expand on much needed things
 
I understand it is bleach's version of ETSO drama and would naturally lead to that but assuming you were present there could you give me a TLDR of where the tier 2 is coming from?
It's just equivocal interpretations of what destroying existence entailed in those old Bleach threads. We granted that it would at least encompass the physical matter (3-A) while possibly referring to the structural construct of the realm as a spacetime continuum as well (possibly Low 2-C). In a nutshell it was accepted that Reio's ED would cause the everything to be destroyed, and everything was granted basically at least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C. Very bare bones, but that's the TLDR. Personally, I think you can be a little more critical and skeptical of those types of arguments, but I plan on replacing them here soon anyway.

Tbh after cour 4 is probably the best if you wish to take back 2C bleach as it would have the most anime canon content itll likely expand on much needed things
Fs fs.
 
 
ya know thinking about how do we handle uryu scaling?
we know theses characters already upscales Senjumaru feat
Yhwach
Ichigo
Aizen
Yes, that is correct
uryu and jugram as well tho uryu a weird case cause he still was strong enough to put a hole in a TS shikai ichigo even if the latter wasn't was serious like he was in there round 2
Uryu put hole through a incapped paralyzed senjumaru, off guarded ichigo.
None of these really qualify to scale him to their actual full powered form.

And I was pointing out, the one that beat senjumaru is stronger than the one that renji fought. His red eyes, mimihagi marks makes it very clear both are different forms
@Arc7Kuroi ya can offer ya suggestion
 
May I know why the cosmology is rated as 3A possibly L2C instead of either 3A or L2C

I couldnt find any blogs that discuss it, I assume it's in some ancient crt
These will be tackled in future after cosmology revision I suppose.
We might get 2C for squad zero and a lot higher for god tiers. Time will tell
 
I don't see why would Ishida be weaker after awakening his power and then mastering them.
Because there's no reason to assume he can just tap into that power or yhwach will just continuously give him amp when we see mimihagi and red eyes not appearing in later cases making it distinguishable form lol.
 
Because there's no reason to assume he can just tap into that power or yhwach will just continuously give him amp when we see mimihagi and red eyes not appearing in later cases making it distinguishable form lol.
Ok so how the f*ck can he fight Ichigo then? Oh wait, maybe it's because he scales.

Literally nothing implies that he is weaker than when he fought Senjumaru, this is purely baseless headcanon, unless you wanna say Ichigo held back to such an insane extent, which is also untrue because ain't no way he would nerf himself that much.
 
Adam is committing what is called a false correlation fallacy. The act of mistaking correlation with causation. There’s just no way you can prove Uryu’s power awakening was a temporary one time thing. Not only is it inconsistent as Ichigo believes Jugram is an opponent he AND Uryu need to tag team to defeat, but he also in that very same implication claims Uryu would be at all non-negligible in a sum of their combined forces.

Furthermore, Shutara’s baseline durability > hyper casual reiatsu aura of her Bankai = 4-A. So regardless of Shutara being strung up by her own robes, her durability is in no way massively lowered. Being restrained =/= having your durability lowered. And to add insult to injury, it’s just objectively stated the form Uryu utilized against Shutara is plain old Vollstandig.

Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training 🤓”, yeah Renji can just have more potential/a higher ceiling. And if Byakuya does get that scaling in cour 4, awesome, still no contradiction. Since Renji scales to base Uryu without Blut. Base Uryu is low end relative to Shutara WITH Blut. So Renji is an entire Bankai amp below Shutara’s casual 4-A yield. Squad 0 still mogs the Gotei 13, True Shikai Ichigo still mogs everyone that’s not Yhwach and Aizen. All y’all’s fears of random characters scaling above transcendent characters is baseless and wrong.
 
Adam is committing what is called a false correlation fallacy. The act of mistaking correlation with causation. There’s just no way you can prove Uryu’s power awakening was a temporary one time thing. Not only is it inconsistent as Ichigo believes Jugram is an opponent he AND Uryu need to tag team to defeat, but he also in that very same implication claims Uryu would be at all non-negligible in a sum of their combined forces.

Furthermore, Shutara’s baseline durability > hyper casual reiatsu aura of her Bankai = 4-A. So regardless of Shutara being strung up by her own robes, her durability is in no way massively lowered. Being restrained =/= having your durability lowered. And to add insult to injury, it’s just objectively stated the form Uryu utilized against Shutara is plain old Vollstandig.

Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training 🤓”, yeah Renji can just have more potential/a higher ceiling. And if Byakuya does get that scaling in cour 4, awesome, still no contradiction. Since Renji scales to base Uryu without Blut. Base Uryu is low end relative to Shutara WITH Blut. So Renji is an entire Bankai amp below Shutara’s casual 4-A yield. Squad 0 still mogs the Gotei 13, True Shikai Ichigo still mogs everyone that’s not Yhwach and Aizen. All y’all’s fears of random characters scaling above transcendent characters is baseless and wrong.
I have seen the future with the almighty and Byakuya will scale with Hakuteiken, trust
 
Ok so how the f*ck can he fight Ichigo then? Oh wait, maybe it's because he scales.
Fights, so he automatically scales?
No. It depends on how the fight plays out.
You really should get off the notion that fights, damage, so scales.
I won't be surprised if some of ya brought askin should scale to ichigo based on aizen's reatsu statement. That would be hella funny.
Literally nothing implies that he is weaker than when he fought Senjumaru, this is purely baseless headcanon, unless you wanna say Ichigo held back to such an insane extent, which is also untrue because ain't no way he would nerf himself that much.
Implies?
No that's very much headcanon. This was implied he actually held back to insane extent. Ain't no way he won't held back insanely against one of his if not best friend.
 
Adam is committing what is called a false correlation fallacy. The act of mistaking correlation with causation. There’s just no way you can prove Uryu’s power awakening was a temporary one time thing. Not only is it inconsistent as Ichigo believes Jugram is an opponent he AND Uryu need to tag team to defeat, but he also in that very same implication claims Uryu would be at all non-negligible in a sum of their combined forces.
I can prove the uryu renji and shutara fought are not same. It's hella easy.

It's not what you call "believe". These are clearly plot things and heroic response. Just like why he is not going around blizting em all.
Furthermore, Shutara’s baseline durability > hyper casual reiatsu aura of her Bankai = 4-A. So regardless of Shutara being strung up by her own robes, her durability is in no way massively lowered. Being restrained =/= having your durability lowered. And to add insult to injury, it’s just objectively stated the form Uryu utilized against Shutara is plain old Vollstandig.
Incorrect. Senjumaru was reversed to almost dead state where uryu was in. And we have seen it many times in such states characters are vulnerable or gets stronger with their life death situation thing.
Incorrect. Mimihagi and red eyes makes it very explicit.
Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training 🤓”, yeah Renji can just have more potential/a higher ceiling. And if Byakuya does get that scaling in cour 4, awesome, still no contradiction. Since Renji scales to base Uryu without Blut. Base Uryu is low end relative to Shutara WITH Blut. So Renji is an entire Bankai amp below Shutara’s casual 4-A yield. Squad 0 still mogs the Gotei 13, True Shikai Ichigo still mogs everyone that’s not Yhwach and Aizen. All y’all’s fears of random characters scaling above transcendent characters is baseless and wrong.
No it actually seems like it's you who is trying to fill some agenda.
As I have addressed before. Both of uryu's forms are distinguishably different. So this scaling chain is incorrect.

Now what funnier is, let's assume this scaling is real. This s**t is an actual outlier compared to gremmy outlier.
 
Incorrect. Senjumaru was reversed to almost dead state where uryu was in. And we have seen it many times in such states characters are vulnerable or gets stronger with their life death situation thing.
Incorrect. Mimihagi and red eyes makes it very explicit.
She wasn’t, and reiterating a false correlation fallacy doesn’t make it magically correct. The only thing that swapped for Shutara was being bound in cloth.

No it actually seems like it's you who is trying to fill some agenda.
As I have addressed before. Both of uryu's forms are distinguishably different. So this scaling chain is incorrect.

Now what funnier is, let's assume this scaling is real. This s**t is an actual outlier compared to gremmy outlier.
They’re not distinct, you’re still mistaking corrrelation for causation. Funny enough too, Gremmy’s feat might not be an outlier anymore depending on what cour 4 does. But the outlier argument for Renji sucks.
 
Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training 🤓”, yeah Renji can just have more potential/a higher ceiling. And if Byakuya does get that scaling in cour 4, awesome, still no contradiction. Since Renji scales to base Uryu without Blut. Base Uryu is low end relative to Shutara WITH Blut. So Renji is an entire Bankai amp below Shutara’s casual 4-A yield. Squad 0 still mogs the Gotei 13, True Shikai Ichigo still mogs everyone that’s not Yhwach and Aizen. All y’all’s fears of random characters scaling above transcendent characters is baseless and wrong.
Renji... Renji... what's a Quincy to do? Gerard has to do something vs his Bankai. He's just gotta, it'd be so cool. Imagine giant-ass Gerard getting pushed back like 500ft by that Bankai and then smirking.
 
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