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These will be tackled in future after cosmology revision I suppose.
We might get 2C for squad zero and a lot higher for god tiers. Time will tell
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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We might get 2C for squad zero and a lot higher for god tiers. Time will tell
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Because there's no reason to assume he can just tap into that power or yhwach will just continuously give him amp when we see mimihagi and red eyes not appearing in later cases making it distinguishable form lol.
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Ok so how the f*ck can he fight Ichigo then? Oh wait, maybe it's because he scales.
Literally nothing implies that he is weaker than when he fought Senjumaru, this is purely baseless headcanon, unless you wanna say Ichigo held back to such an insane extent, which is also untrue because ain't no way he would nerf himself that much.
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God, it's so funny that this actually sort of relevant. I love it.
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Adam is committing what is called a false correlation fallacy. The act of mistaking correlation with causation. There’s just no way you can prove Uryu’s power awakening was a temporary one time thing. Not only is it inconsistent as Ichigo believes Jugram is an opponent he AND Uryu need to tag team to defeat, but he also in that very same implication claims Uryu would be at all non-negligible in a sum of their combined forces.
Furthermore, Shutara’s baseline durability > hyper casual reiatsu aura of her Bankai = 4-A. So regardless of Shutara being strung up by her own robes, her durability is in no way massively lowered. Being restrained =/= having your durability lowered. And to add insult to injury, it’s just objectively stated the form Uryu utilized against Shutara is plain old Vollstandig.
Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training
”, yeah Renji can just have more potential/a higher ceiling. And if Byakuya does get that scaling in cour 4, awesome, still no contradiction. Since Renji scales to base Uryu without Blut. Base Uryu is low end relative to Shutara WITH Blut. So Renji is an entire Bankai amp below Shutara’s casual 4-A yield. Squad 0 still mogs the Gotei 13, True Shikai Ichigo still mogs everyone that’s not Yhwach and Aizen. All y’all’s fears of random characters scaling above transcendent characters is baseless and wrong.
Furthermore, Shutara’s baseline durability > hyper casual reiatsu aura of her Bankai = 4-A. So regardless of Shutara being strung up by her own robes, her durability is in no way massively lowered. Being restrained =/= having your durability lowered. And to add insult to injury, it’s just objectively stated the form Uryu utilized against Shutara is plain old Vollstandig.
Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training
”, yeah Renji can just have more potential/a higher ceiling. And if Byakuya does get that scaling in cour 4, awesome, still no contradiction. Since Renji scales to base Uryu without Blut. Base Uryu is low end relative to Shutara WITH Blut. So Renji is an entire Bankai amp below Shutara’s casual 4-A yield. Squad 0 still mogs the Gotei 13, True Shikai Ichigo still mogs everyone that’s not Yhwach and Aizen. All y’all’s fears of random characters scaling above transcendent characters is baseless and wrong.
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Someone needs to make the CRT to add that to Rangiku’s profile
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Where was this stated?
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Klub Outside. Genuinely probably can go into a Shinigami physiology blog. Limited TK with reiatsu. Enhanced for Ichigo level characters
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I have seen the future with the almighty and Byakuya will scale with Hakuteiken, trustAdam is committing what is called a false correlation fallacy. The act of mistaking correlation with causation. There’s just no way you can prove Uryu’s power awakening was a temporary one time thing. Not only is it inconsistent as Ichigo believes Jugram is an opponent he AND Uryu need to tag team to defeat, but he also in that very same implication claims Uryu would be at all non-negligible in a sum of their combined forces.
Furthermore, Shutara’s baseline durability > hyper casual reiatsu aura of her Bankai = 4-A. So regardless of Shutara being strung up by her own robes, her durability is in no way massively lowered. Being restrained =/= having your durability lowered. And to add insult to injury, it’s just objectively stated the form Uryu utilized against Shutara is plain old Vollstandig.
Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training
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Fights, so he automatically scales?
No. It depends on how the fight plays out.
You really should get off the notion that fights, damage, so scales.
I won't be surprised if some of ya brought askin should scale to ichigo based on aizen's reatsu statement. That would be hella funny.
Implies?
No that's very much headcanon. This was implied he actually held back to insane extent. Ain't no way he won't held back insanely against one of his if not best friend.
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I can prove the uryu renji and shutara fought are not same. It's hella easy.
It's not what you call "believe". These are clearly plot things and heroic response. Just like why he is not going around blizting em all.
Incorrect. Senjumaru was reversed to almost dead state where uryu was in. And we have seen it many times in such states characters are vulnerable or gets stronger with their life death situation thing.
Incorrect. Mimihagi and red eyes makes it very explicit.
No it actually seems like it's you who is trying to fill some agenda.Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training
As I have addressed before. Both of uryu's forms are distinguishably different. So this scaling chain is incorrect.
Now what funnier is, let's assume this scaling is real. This s**t is an actual outlier compared to gremmy outlier.
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She wasn’t, and reiterating a false correlation fallacy doesn’t make it magically correct. The only thing that swapped for Shutara was being bound in cloth.
They’re not distinct, you’re still mistaking corrrelation for causation. Funny enough too, Gremmy’s feat might not be an outlier anymore depending on what cour 4 does. But the outlier argument for Renji sucks.
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Renji... Renji... what's a Quincy to do? Gerard has to do something vs his Bankai. He's just gotta, it'd be so cool. Imagine giant-ass Gerard getting pushed back like 500ft by that Bankai and then smirking.Renji’s just an entire other can of worms, but uh no one else scales to him anyway. There’s actually zero Byakuya > Renji scaling outside of headcanon and incredulity because Byakuya was always stronger than Renji in the past. “Oh but they did the same training
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The boob magnet is real
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I can't with you. I genuinely can not believe this madness. ICHIGO BEAT YHWACH'S ASS, if Uryu didn't scale within a millionth to him, he would be toast. Let's see where Ichigo said "I nerfed myself to captain level" ah yes, it's in the novel of INFH, short for It Never F**king Happened. Askin's hax only scales to have hurt Ichigo, his strength scales to jack shit. He had to use an unconventional mean to bypass Ichigo's resistance rather than use his usual special. Fights and damage is how we scale shit, if this didn't matter, how the hell would we get anywhere? We wouldn't.
Again, NOTHING implies or states that Ichigo nerfed himself to such a ridculous level as to not hurt Uryu. There's a word to describe this claim: horseshit. Uryu may downscale from Ichigo due to mental nerfs, but he still scales, end of story.
Apologizes for my brashness but I'm completely tired of this utter nonsense.
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That part is questionable as well. Senjumaru is just more resilient and likely more resistant to poison type stuff being the predecessor of mayuri.
Uryu scales, still had to dodge all of shutara's attack and needed hax to break free from bankai cloths.
They are clearly distinct. May be you should rewatch the episodes so that you can notice red eyes and mimihagi marks.
I've seen outlier arguments for gremmy. Those arguments suck as well. But I've seen people being happy with this like tf
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That he does lol
Correlation =/= causation.
Well maybe Renji will open the door for consistency that the feat so desperately needed.
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It's the other way. Everything suggests ichigo was extremely in nerfed state. Ichigo doesn’t have to say s***. He was visibly confused the entire time.
Of course that's how we scale. But we can not just scale vased on this. We need to take narrative and lot other stuffs into account.
Now please don't claim nanao scales to lillie barro cause he damaged him, that's the only thing left coming out of your mouth.
It's fine. We don't always have to be chitty chatty.
No it should not. Mental stat is very imporntant in fight. It can nerf or amp someone beyond their tier. Multiplier can not explain these things.
Look at ginjo for example.
Anyway. Is it only me or somebody else also think ichigo emitting visible reatsu is his actual true shikai form. No nerf, just a stable mind.
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Renji is even worse case man.
You are literally comparing an on panel clear cut feat with much too vague scaling.
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It’s not vague. You’re just positing headcanon.
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None of this justifies placing Uryu to such an immense level below Ichigo, though. The shit involving his awakening with Yhwach clearly affected his strength moving forward and denial of this is factually believing headcanon. Arc explained this 50 million times. YOU have the onus to prove Ichigo would fall to such a level to not kill him and prove that Uryu's power doesn't match him in any capacity whatsoever to disprove him only downscaling.
False equivalence fallacy, and a straw man. The two situations are not similar whatsoever.
Mentality is important, but unless stated directly, it doesn't nerf you to such an extent that a mosquito can send you flying. Some gaps just cannot be lessened. There is not a single pillar of reasonable logic to backup your arguments, this is complete headcanon.
I'm going to bed now before I start geeking.
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I have explained it more than 50 million times off guarded character can be taken down by character far below their tier. With emotional boost they can also rise to different tier as well.
Oh yes, I'm not denying his amp. Just that it was temporary. Which is why red eyes and mimihagi mark do not appear in later form.
You are just being ignorant about important details.
You should not even bring the word situation here if you are just going by fights, damages so scale.
Ichigo doesn’t need to verbally state, oh I'm so confused. I'm in nerfed state. That's utterly immature take.
You have been geeking anyway. What's the point lmfao
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Nobody has disputed this.
Nobody is being ignorant, your premise is literally your assumption which also serves as your reasoning here, there's nothing here that in anyway disputes the take of Uryu is just stronger going forward.
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Everybody seems ignorant about these important details lol. It is not called assumption. May be you should give time into learning basic things.
Those marks clearly distinguishes his forms.
Nobody denying he got stronger. He just can not randomly tap into that or it was just a temporary buff from yhwach.
Meaning renji would not be the scaling to mimihagi marked red eyes uryu, so no correlation with senjumaru's feat.
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lmao, rather than substantiate your premise you resort to the lamest Ad hominem fallacy ever? wtv man.
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You clearly have no idea what assumption means.
You shouldn’t throw words randomly like that
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This isn't going anywhere. I will just address these when renji's upgrade thread is brought up.
Rather we should talk about ishida's flashback. He was affected by auswahlen. But somehow his mother died instead.
Did he use antithesis back than somehow or that has something to do with his grandpa
Rather we should talk about ishida's flashback. He was affected by auswahlen. But somehow his mother died instead.
Did he use antithesis back than somehow or that has something to do with his grandpa
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Bro is NOT Aizen
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Downloads folder and in Downloads you would see Telegram. the videos would be there
For PC, go to Downloads. You would see a folder called Telegram Desktop, the videos would be there
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If you think it would mess with scaling, no it won't.
Stronger characters would just upscale from Renji.
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This doesn’t work anymore.
I have no folder in download folder.
Device: redmi note 13
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Wasn’t Hashi better at healing than Orihime? I thought that was an Orihime only thing? Yes, Renji got his reishi recovered from Uryu. It was claimed that he wouldn’t be able to use Shikai or Bankai but he did used Shikai against Gerard.
Gerard goal from the beginning was to activate “Miracle” so any damaged caused by Renji could be said to be Gerard’s plan. Renji doesn’t scale.
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