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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

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Some of these people even call Toshiro transcendant level or say CFYOW Zaraki isn't. These are the people I wanted to avoid because they make the most ridiculous excuses and interpretations.
 
Sooo, would there be scaling problems if senior captains like Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyoraku and Ukitake had unchanging AP across the whole series?
 
Biggest issue i could see is Kyoraku saying SS Chad's suicide/power of friendship attack could have seriously harmed him.

But even that could be explained in many ways :
-Chad's attack was amped beyond reasons via emotions (same as Ginjo in CFYOW and both are fullbringers)
-A casual Kyoraku could have been caught offguard by such a difference in power
-Kyoraku was being overly generous with his statement.
 
Naeblis495 said:
Biggest issue i could see is Kyoraku saying SS Chad's suicide/power of friendship attack could have seriously harmed him.

But even that could be explained in many ways :
-Chad's attack was amped beyond reasons via emotions (same as Ginjo in CFYOW and both are fullbringers)
-A casual Kyoraku could have been caught offguard by such a difference in power
-Kyoraku was being overly generous with his statement.
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That's definitely the answer, its just Kyoraku being Kyoraku, during the SS arc him and Ukitake in team still pushed Yamamot to unleash his Shikai
 
There’s maybe 1 issue with saying Soul Society Arc Shunsui ~ TYBW Shunsui, and that’s the databook stats place end of SS Zaraki > Shunsui. But we also know characters can get rusty, even the super old ones if they don’t keep up their training and form. So it’s very probable that Shunsui just dusted off some rust, especially since it’s noted that the current Gotei 13 has experienced so much peace that it’s made them weak (in Yhwach’s eyes), meaning it’s reasonable to assume that at least following the century after Turn Back the Pendulum and before the SS arc, a lot of these characters probably weren’t staying on top of their training. You could also argue the databook stats were just retconned and weren’t considering future scaling ramifications. Etc etc etc.

However, it’s worth noting that Kubo’s statement about it Shunsui says they don’t change much, not that they don’t change at all. Meaning, while the gap between AA Shunsui and TYBW Shunsui isn’t intended to be massive, there can still be power growth.

Edit: the question also spoke about AA Shunsui vs TYBW Shunsui too, so it could be the case that Kubo only meant that AA Shunsui ~ TYBW Shunsui.
 
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Yamamoto, unohana definitely are underrated compared to zarakk glazing.
I see people try every way to downplay them.
 
Adam1396 said:
Yamamoto, unohana definitely are underrated compared to zarakk glazing.
I see people try every way to downplay them.
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In my own experience this is completely bunk. People genuinely believe Yamamoto can beat Hikone, even claiming he'd no diff them. They always find some ass backwards headcanon claiming Hikone wasn't transcendant-tier, or that Aizen is weaker than Yamamoto. People claim MUKEN AIZEN is weaker than Yamamoto, same with True Shikai Ichigo. The Yama wankers were even claiming Senjumaru was a victim to him. Unohana is a strange case, people either overrate her or vastly underrate her.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
In my own experience this is completely bunk. People genuinely believe Yamamoto can beat Hikone, even claiming he'd no diff them. They always find some ass backwards headcanon claiming Hikone wasn't transcendant-tier, or that Aizen is weaker than Yamamoto. People claim MUKEN AIZEN is weaker than Yamamoto, same with True Shikai Ichigo. The Yama wankers were even claiming Senjumaru was a victim to him. Unohana is a strange case, people either overrate her or vastly underrate her.
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They are just dumb.

I was meaning both them are considered far below where they should be.
Both definitely gets one shotted by current zaraki
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
In my own experience this is completely bunk. People genuinely believe Yamamoto can beat Hikone, even claiming he'd no diff them. They always find some ass backwards headcanon claiming Hikone wasn't transcendant-tier, or that Aizen is weaker than Yamamoto. People claim MUKEN AIZEN is weaker than Yamamoto, same with True Shikai Ichigo. The Yama wankers were even claiming Senjumaru was a victim to him. Unohana is a strange case, people either overrate her or vastly underrate her.
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Like after kubo answered SS Aizen vs unohana people are still trying to say unohana would win. Like there aren’t several other statements that are made that imply SS Aizen>unohana out there as well.
 
KINGWILLTHEGREAT0815 said:
Like after kubo answered SS Aizen vs unohana people are still trying to say unohana would win. Like there aren’t several other statements that are made that imply SS Aizen>unohana out there as well.
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Kubo made it clear aizen would win. He just will have to try hard despite having her under shikai. But he will win 100%
 
Saibotsan said:
They think Shikai Yamamoto is beating Jugram
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I think this

Ped2018 said:
Sooo, would there be scaling problems if senior captains like Yamamoto, Unohana, Kyoraku and Ukitake had unchanging AP across the whole series?
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In reality, no. I think this is fine, and in fact, it's what we've accepted

Naeblis495 said:
Biggest issue i could see is Kyoraku saying SS Chad's suicide/power of friendship attack could have seriously harmed him.

But even that could be explained in many ways :
-Chad's attack was amped beyond reasons via emotions (same as Ginjo in CFYOW and both are fullbringers)
-A casual Kyoraku could have been caught offguard by such a difference in power
-Kyoraku was being overly generous with his statement.
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A supressed Shunsui getting damaged isn't as big of a feat either.

Tyri456 said:
That's definitely the answer, its just Kyoraku being Kyoraku, during the SS arc him and Ukitake in team still pushed Yamamot to unleash his Shikai
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No??????? Who the **** said they forced him to

ReaperAndBlues said:
In my own experience this is completely bunk. People genuinely believe Yamamoto can beat Hikone, even claiming he'd no diff them. They always find some ass backwards headcanon claiming Hikone wasn't transcendant-tier, or that Aizen is weaker than Yamamoto. People claim MUKEN AIZEN is weaker than Yamamoto, same with True Shikai Ichigo. The Yama wankers were even claiming Senjumaru was a victim to him. Unohana is a strange case, people either overrate her or vastly underrate her.
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Clyde
 
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There's also no threads about that lol. One guy just trolling me with that scale, so i came here to find out about it xD
 
LordTracer said:
Speaking of, does anyone have the raws of Kubo’s answer (as well as the number of this Q&A, for references purposes)?
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Raw - Q701.

清浄塔居林にて日番谷と藍染が相対した時に日番谷を倒したのに対して、卯ノ花と勇音に攻撃せず双極に移動したのは、藍染が卯ノ花と戦って勝てる見込みが無かったからでしょうか？

A701.

勝てないとは考えていないと思いますが、消耗するのは確実だからです。

English - Q701.

2024.11.18

When Hitsugaya and Aizen faced each other in the Seijōtōkyorin (Immaculate Tower Grove - Central 46), Aizen defeated Hitsugaya, but instead of attacking Unohana and Isane, he moved to the Sōkyoku Hill. Was this because Aizen had no chance of winning against Unohana?

A701

2024.11.18

I don't think he felt that he couldn’t win, but he was sure that he will be exhausted.
 
WheelSome said:
Raw - Q701.

清浄塔居林にて日番谷と藍染が相対した時に日番谷を倒したのに対して、卯ノ花と勇音に攻撃せず双極に移動したのは、藍染が卯ノ花と戦って勝てる見込みが無かったからでしょうか？

A701.

勝てないとは考えていないと思いますが、消耗するのは確実だからです。

English - Q701.

2024.11.18

When Hitsugaya and Aizen faced each other in the Seijōtōkyorin (Immaculate Tower Grove - Central 46), Aizen defeated Hitsugaya, but instead of attacking Unohana and Isane, he moved to the Sōkyoku Hill. Was this because Aizen had no chance of winning against Unohana?

A701

2024.11.18

I don't think he felt that he couldn’t win, but he was sure that he will be exhausted.
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Awesome, thank you.
 
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