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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Great episode . Good lore, forehadowing, visuals and action.
Ichigo received a vision of the creation of the realms as they ascended to SK castle , probably sent by the dying SK, or maybe it's a hint that Ichigo have the true Almighty omniscience that start to awaken (i'm coping).
That GJ exploding for at least a minute was ******* great.
And beside Almighty fate Hax, Ichigo is stoping/destroying anything Yhwach throw at him. In the Anime, The Almighty do seem to come with an AP increase, and ichigo still block and destroy Yhwach's arrows without much problem. Even the attacks he can't block due to fate hax, he still tank them pretty well.
Ichigo received a vision of the creation of the realms as they ascended to SK castle , probably sent by the dying SK, or maybe it's a hint that Ichigo have the true Almighty omniscience that start to awaken (i'm coping).
That GJ exploding for at least a minute was ******* great.
And beside Almighty fate Hax, Ichigo is stoping/destroying anything Yhwach throw at him. In the Anime, The Almighty do seem to come with an AP increase, and ichigo still block and destroy Yhwach's arrows without much problem. Even the attacks he can't block due to fate hax, he still tank them pretty well.
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I do NOT want to know what was happening here
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Is Ichigo and Yhwachs clash causing the 3 realms to shake again? That’s the context im getting, as the SK hasn’t been killed yet.
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Almighty didn’t really amp Yhwach’s AP as much as it just let him get free hits on Ichigo and evade all Ichigo’s attacks. Like they’re already relative, so obviously Yhwach’s going to perform much better when he can foresee everything Ichigo will do, and UI dodge everything.
Also the implications that Squad 0’s Bankai ~ Nugget King is insane for scaling ramifications. Like Butterflyzen may end up being Prime SK level because of that.
Lowkey implied that their clash was doing that, on some Beerus Goku type beat.
Also the implications that Squad 0’s Bankai ~ Nugget King is insane for scaling ramifications. Like Butterflyzen may end up being Prime SK level because of that.
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I still think it’s dumb to scale 2nd Fusion Aizen to Full Power Squad 0. The whole transcendent reiatsu can’t be sensed thing has long since been dropped in TYBW. And Squad 0 aren’t technically pure shinigami anymore so there really aren’t any actual reasons for Aizen to scale to them until his 4th Fusion where’s he’s actually stated to have transcended shinigami. Since that’s how True Shikai Ichigo was described to have surpassed a shinigami and he compared Squad 0 to himself.
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The whole “unsensible reiatsu isn’t a thing anymore” is headcanon cope. You’re free to hold any headcanon you like, but this just doesn’t disprove Aizen’s scaling whatsoever.
Bastolan27
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I think this episode is the final nail in the coffin for downplayers. The Soul King created the entire cosmology from a primordial sea, which means no more arguments about a single universe being separated into three galaxy-level realms. Also, the planet-level argument doesn't hold up either, as he created everything. Each realm's stars, galaxies, and outer space, in general, were created by him, so claiming that his death would only destroy three planets is absurd. The death of the creator and stabilizer of everything would logically have a far greater impact than just affecting three planets across space-time.
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原初の海から分かたれた尸魂界、現世、虚圏の三つの世界。遥く魂魄の流れを司る礎であり、かつ世界の根たる存在によって、霊子の世界、器子の世界、砂の楽土の三世界が分離され、「生」と「死」が隔てられた。
The three worlds split from the primordial sea, Soul Society, Living World, and Hueco Mundo. The foundation presiding over the distant flow of souls, as an existence worthy of being the root of the world, separating the three worlds into a world of spiritual particles, a world of physical particles, and a paradise of sand, caused life and death to become separate.
The Sankai keyword just confirms that Soul Society is the spiritual universe encompassing the realm of spiritual particles, WotL is the physical universe encompassing the realm of physical particles, and HM is the sand world which we already knew lol.
The three worlds split from the primordial sea, Soul Society, Living World, and Hueco Mundo. The foundation presiding over the distant flow of souls, as an existence worthy of being the root of the world, separating the three worlds into a world of spiritual particles, a world of physical particles, and a paradise of sand, caused life and death to become separate.
The Sankai keyword just confirms that Soul Society is the spiritual universe encompassing the realm of spiritual particles, WotL is the physical universe encompassing the realm of physical particles, and HM is the sand world which we already knew lol.
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We literally see True Shikai Ichigo who is confirmed to be transcendent being sensed by a whole bunch of people throughout TYBW though. And the two recent episodes have also been comparing Squad 0 to True Shikai Ichigo. There’s honestly more evidence against early Fusion Aizen scaling to Squad 0 than there is for him scaling.
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Butterfly Aizen transcends not just shinigami but hollows as well and reached the state of God just like SK , mullet Aizen already transcended shinigami .
undetectable reiatsu concept for transcended beings is not abandoned , just that nobody has reached such levels again
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where has ot been stated that TS Ichigo is a transcendent being ?
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That's what i've been saying for years
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lol no
Idrc to change your mind tho, I’ll let my scaling threads at the end of the cour speak for themselves. Can’t wait for everyone to cry about the new scaling ruining Bleach like they did with CFYOW
another day in paradise
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Him being a soul king candidate that could replace the weakened soul king. Episode 14 with Ichibe saying he needs to become something a surpass that of a shinigami after the Irazusando stuff (Which I assume was also what Squad 0 went through to gain their power).
ReaperAndBlues
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Me looking at the buffs from this episode:
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Same I don’t really care about the scaling that’s on the site here much since IRL has been beating me up with classes and exams so I’m far too tired to care about these stuff nowadays. I’m just voicing my thoughts on what I think about the Aizen stuff. Cause I personally think Aizen approaches the 4-As in his 2nd Fusion but he’s not exactly there yet and only reaches Full Power Squad 0 level after his 3rd Fusion. And than reaches True Shikai Ichigo/Ichibe level by the 4th Fusion. But that’s just me.lol no
Idrc to change your mind tho, I’ll let my scaling threads at the end of the cour speak for themselves. Can’t wait for everyone to cry about the new scaling ruining Bleach like they did with CFYOW
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It's over for TS > Dangai cels lmao.
The statement about Ichigo regaining his powers after Aizen's defeat is gone
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"Ichibe saying he needs to become "
TS Ichigo is just him using his shinigami powers , basically he's just a shinigami. Ginjo is also a candidate , is he transcendent too ?
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The statement was never a problem , it was actually referring to when he regained his powers against Ginjo as you can clearly see Ginjo on that panel. People just misinterpreted it
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I thought you said Ganju for a second, and PEAK
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If you think about it mechanically, it makes sense given that Deicide Ichigo and Aizen had fused with their Zanpakuto as well, the final stage of evolution, which is something Ichigo doesn’t do again quite literally until he kill Yhwach for good.
Then you consider Ganju can sense the reiatsu of Bankai Shutara and it’s just like yeah, Deicide Aizen and Ichigo are just different.
Then you consider Ganju can sense the reiatsu of Bankai Shutara and it’s just like yeah, Deicide Aizen and Ichigo are just different.
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Well, Ganju is 4-A, clearly you didn't read my previous statement.
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that was said much later on, when he fight SK yhwach
Arcker123
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In a very much abridged form that doesn't include anything that was used to upscale TS ichigo.
Edit: He said it when Ichigo killed SK.
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No he’s talking about the statement in the manga that occurred when Ichigo cut down Reio. Reread the manga part around 618.
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I don't see fusion with zanpakuto as the final stage of evolution , it's just something that happened while they evolved to higher existence.
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What kinda downplay is that. Ganju’s clearly at minimum 2-C possibly even Low 1-C as his true identity is none other than the will of the world that created the primordial world and hell.
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I dislike how nobody here is talking about the Soul King having a Zanpakuto that looks like a Chinese Warring States period Jian.
Like... Was this the original - the fukking original - Zanpakuto?
Like... Was this the original - the fukking original - Zanpakuto?
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Aizen hypothesizes it to be the final stage of evolution and he’s proven right. But we’re splitting hairs here so who cares.
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Oh yeah that blade. Was wondering why the design looked kinda familiar. So it was that Chinese weapon huh. Kinda surprised I didn’t realize that despite being Chinese myself. Would be kinda interesting in a way if it’s shown that Soul King is essentially one of those 仙人 from Chinese cultivation novels.
Bastolan27
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My headcanon is that being a true member of a race means being transcendent. For example, Squad Zero are true Shinigami, as is Ichigo, as stated by Ichibei. The Almighty represents the eyes of a true Quincy, which means Yhwach, Jugram at peak power during the night, and Uryu could all be considered true Quincies. Uryu fought and defeated a member of Squad Zero, and his eyes flashed red in a manner similar to the Almighty, suggesting that the Antithesis might be connected to it, making Uryu a true Quincy. The Soul King, at his prime, transcends even the concept of being a true Shinigami, Quincy, or any other race. Aizen could be seen as a true Shinigami in his second fusion and at the Soul King’s level in his third fusion.
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Moving through the future if there's no statements about him transcending "time" as a whole then it wouldn't be immeasurable, the way how you get immeasurable is through being independent from the linear time system (moving from the past to present to future through sheer speed is still listed as being restricted to linear time pretty sure, this is why transcending "time" narrative is required because it would mean that you're not restricted by these thus you're able to move through different time points like the past, present and the future)
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I Don't think so , he also said the hogyoku decided he no longer needed a Zanpakuto.Aizen hypothesizes it to be the final stage of evolution and he’s proven right. But we’re splitting hairs here so who cares.
Both Dangai Ichigo and Butterfly Aizen had their Zanpakuto fused woth their hands in similiarly but they weren't on the same level of evolution
