Ayanokoji's questionable scaling

[Godsatoshi23]

it's in their op anyway

I guess it was added after my reply.

what was the previous justification for using an anime feat?

For which feat? As far as I know anime feats can only counted if LN has those feats as well. Otherwise just orginal feats that anime added.

 

[Vizmer]

it's in their op anyway

what was the previous justification for using an anime feat?

there wasn't the op for that CTR assumed that the anime is cannon or something and only justified the scaling.

"I believe this is a clear cut enough to be considered a minor CRT

Basically, This calc has been accepted which scales to Kouenji and Ayanokouji in both AP and Durability

Since Ayanokouji is on par with Kouenji

Staff agreement

Staff agree - @DarkDragonMedeus

Staff disagree -

Staff neutral -"

 

[RoggerReggor]

Actually I claimed that it's anime only not the op. And besides the source is LN, so I see no reason to use it. If the feat existed in LN that's different matter, though.

Due to the COTE canonicity problems, we have already discussed this. However, does the staff think it is necessary to list this on the verse page as well?

So well, about the Kouenji feat, it is canonically related. Kouenji went out in the jungles to roam around in the Mixed Training Camp and was also busy in hunting, as described in the light novel itself.

The anime adds two more additional things (which are not stated anywhere in the LN):
1. Kouenji lifting up a boar and swinging it at incredible speeds.
2. Kouenji jumps down a mountain.

So, if these feats are an anime-only, why do we use them?

Simple reason, because the author sees the anime as a valid material for the story, and has also applauded the efforts of the producers in reading the source material, going as far as describing his interpretations as kind of inferior to them, despite the fact that the anime cuts down about 90% of the dialogues between characters, and only uses main hype scenes. However, anime is mainly used for promotion purposes, the same goes with the manga.

However, the author does show his presence where the story and events and discussions related to the anime production are done, and he is not someone who has major complaints, in fact, he even sees the story adaptation in the anime as a good one, to the best of its extent as it can go.

Kinugasa: I did participate at the script meeting, but I didn’t say anything in particular. I believe the producers have taken the time to read my work more careful than I did, and I also believe they are capable of producing the best possible outcome in the anime, so I trust on how they do it.

Syougo Kinugasa-sensei applauding the efforts of the anime production team and mentioning how he didn't have any problems with the script writing - a process which includes the topics of dialogues between characters with events coherent in them.

Was there anything that affected the source material after it was adapted into an anime?

Tomose: There’s a lot in regard to the illustrations. I’m not very good at drawing cool-looking boys, so I always thought to myself “so this is how I can make him look cooler” when looking at Ryuuen.

Kinugasa: There have been times where I check how a character’s personality gets well-established in the anime and I use it as feedback for my work. Especially Ayanokouji, who wasn’t well established as a character at first, but after seeing how well he was done in the anime, I used that “taste” from volume five onwards to refine the current persona that we all know.

Illustrator Tomose Shunsaku-sensei and the author both reflect upon them even getting some ideas regarding characters designs and character personality (and at that, of the main character himself) and even implementing them (though this is not supportive towards the establishment of the canonicity, this is helpful in describing how much the creators of the novel themselves value the anime as not only a promoting medium for the novel, but also as a proper source of information).

SOURCE GOES HERE

Manga can obviously be used for stuff as well, due the author himself working upon it with a manga illustrator.

So, seeing this interview, and seeing the work in the anime, we should see feats as:

What to accept?:

• Scenes which are anime-only and manga-only should be acceptable, as long as they are in the continuity with the original events in the light novel, and do not seem too out of order. For e.g., the Kouenji scenes (both mentioned above) should be acceptable, as Kouenji did go outside of his group, abandoned them, and roamed around in the jungle and was also described to have encounters with the wild boar. The scenes of him lifting a wild boar or him jumping a mountain do not contradict anything in the novel, but it only adds a deeper understanding of what Kouenji did in the time while he was out, because the novel doesn't describe any of it to a large extent.
• Scenes which are anime-only and manga-only but only deviate in things which are unrelated to scaling in all the ways. A prime example of this would be the Year 1 Volume 7 fight between Kiyotaka and the Ryuuen gang adapted in Season 2 Episode 12. The key difference is that the fight is supposed to have happened on the rooftop in the light novel, and the anime shows it happening in a random warehouse with a slightly eery atmosphere. But as we can tell, the location would of course not affect the nature of the feats happening as long as they are not contradicted by the light novel to their nature itself.

What to reject?:
- Scenes which are anime-only and manga-only, but they deviate heavily from how the things turned out in the light novel. An example of this would be the manga adaptation of the Year 1 Volume 1 scene where Manabu is blackmailing his sister Suzune and Kiyotaka saves her. The manga shows that Manabu had already lifted Suzune by the time Kiyotaka reached them, but the light novel still shows that Manabu was yet to lift his sister. This way, the light novel obviously contradicts what happened in the manga. Being the absolute source material, it's obvious that the light novel showing should take precedence.

 

[RoggerReggor]

About the canonicity, I discussed it with @Vzearr earlier and he didn't seem to have any problems with it as long as the author himself didn't. However, he wasn't a staff member at the time of it, so his re-evaluation might be necessary.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Due to the COTE canonicity problems, we have already discussed this. However, does the staff think it is necessary to list this on the verse page as well?

I don't see any staff other than DarkDragonMedeus agreeing to it. I appreciate if more staffs gives their opinion.

So well, about the Kouenji feat, it is canonically related. Kouenji went out in the jungles to roam around in the Mixed Training Camp and was also busy in hunting, as described in the light novel itself.

The anime adds two more additional things (which are not stated anywhere in the LN):
1. Kouenji lifting up a boar and swinging it at incredible speeds.

Lifting up a boar isn't necessarily a new thing added as mentioned in the LN Kouenji took boar back to the camp. It would naturally assumed that he lifted boar at that context.

2. Kouenji jumps down a mountain.

And there's no mention of Kouenji doing that. We all know he instead uses forest most of the times, so jumping down from tree-to-tree can be considered from that too not the cliff.

So, if these feats are an anime-only, why do we use them?

Simple reason, because the author sees the anime as a valid material for the story, and has also applauded the efforts of the producers in reading the source material, going as far as describing his interpretations as kind of inferior to them, despite the fact that the anime cuts down about 90% of the dialogues between characters, and only uses main hype scenes. However, anime is mainly used for promotion purposes, the same goes with the manga.

However, the author does show his presence where the story and events and discussions related to the anime production are done, and he is not someone who has major complaints, in fact, he even sees the story adaptation in the anime as a good one, to the best of its extent as it can go.


Syougo Kinugasa-sensei applauding the efforts of the anime production team and mentioning how he didn't have any problems with the script writing - a process which includes the topics of dialogues between characters with events coherent in them.

Illustrator Tomose Shunsaku-sensei and the author both reflect upon them even getting some ideas regarding characters designs and character personality (and at that, of the main character himself) and even implementing them (though this is not supportive towards the establishment of the canonicity, this is helpful in describing how much the creators of the novel themselves value the anime as not only a promoting medium for the novel, but also as a proper source of information).

SOURCE GOES HERE

Manga can obviously be used for stuff as well, due the author himself working upon it with a manga illustrator.

So, seeing this interview, and seeing the work in the anime, we should see feats as:

I see other verses, atleast it didn't accepted with that alone. Like Eminence in shadow where the author was heavily involved in, but feats doesn't align with LN or more so to manga instead. We can use anime to calculate to similar feats but not the entire new feats.

Though, I am interested to see what other staffs thinks on this topic. Use orginal anime only feat mentioning that author personally took some decisions or LN which is source and don't have those feats.

 

[RoggerReggor]

I see other verses, atleast it didn't accepted with that alone. Like Eminence in shadow where the author was heavily involved in, but feats doesn't align with LN or more so to manga instead. We can use anime to calculate to similar feats but not the entire new feats.

Though, I am interested to see what other staffs thinks on this topic. Use orginal anime only feat mentioning that author personally took some decisions or LN which is source and don't have those feats.

Hey, I fully get your comment, and I fully agree with you. I already explained how feats which do not align with the LN shouldn't be used of course.

Kouenji canonically went out of his way to go roam in the forest, the Mixed Training Camp is a canonical arc. It's just that what Kouenji did behind the scenes is never mentioned. The anime just showed some of those things.

They are definitely not in non-alignment, neither does anything happening in the LN contradict it, there's nothing like something different happening in the LN, nor does the LN say something like that never happening.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Kouenji canonically went out of his way to go roam in the forest, the Mixed Training Camp is a canonical arc. It's just that what Kouenji did behind the scenes is never mentioned. The anime just showed some of those things.

That's what my problem is. It's something anime did that rather LN.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

As I said, if staffs don't mind using it, I am fine with it to.

 

[RoggerReggor]

As I said, if staffs don't mind using it, I am fine it to.

Yeah, let's wait.

I don't know the problem with The Eminence in Shadow verse because I have never actively taken part in its discussions myself, and I hope what's good happens to the case, but I think COTE stuff is good to use, considering how the author does see it as a good story material, and as even gone as far as using the personality traits of anime producers' interpretations in his own work for the improvement itself.

I don't wish to see more to it than this lol.